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		<title>Roswell: The UFO UnCoverup &#8211; Feature Length Presentation</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Nov 2011 19:22:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[See actual UFO crash debris tested and found to be truly extraterrestrial. The Roswell UFO crash of 1947 and the ensuing military cover-up set the stage for this explosive documentary about America&#8217;s reaction to our planet&#8217;s encounter with ETs. Going beyond the question &#8220;Did it really happen?&#8221;, this program counters 60 years of Air Force [...]<p>a</p>
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<p>See actual UFO crash debris tested and found to be truly extraterrestrial. The Roswell UFO crash of 1947 and the ensuing military cover-up set the stage for this explosive documentary about America&#8217;s reaction to our planet&#8217;s encounter with ETs. Going beyond the question &#8220;Did it really happen?&#8221;, this program counters 60 years of Air Force denials and focuses on the more compelling aspects of this cosmic mystery: scientific evidence, physical proof, personal testimonies, expert analysis and the cosmic implication of an alien presence here on Earth. Includes: photos, videos, documents and an amazing arsenal of spellbinding interviews with researchers, eyewitnesses and the best-known, most credible UFO authorities in the world today. Roswell: The UFO Uncoverup &#8211; Now on DVD, Cat# U438 &#8211; Go to www.UFOTV.com</p>
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		<title>Alien Secrets Opens at the Galaxy 8 in Roswell on 7-07-07</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Sep 2011 15:23:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Albuquerque, NM (PRWEB) July 6, 2007 &#8220;Alien Secrets&#8221;, winner of the best feature film at the &#8220;International UFO Congress Film Festival&#8221; has its Galactic Premiere at the Galaxy 8, in Roswell, New Mexico. Showings at midnight on July 6th , with special premiere screenings on Saturday July 7th. In a special engagement celebrating the 60th [...]<p>a</p>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Albuquerque, NM (PRWEB) July 6, 2007 </p>
<p> &#8220;Alien Secrets&#8221;, winner of the best feature film at the &#8220;International UFO Congress Film Festival&#8221; has its Galactic Premiere at the Galaxy 8, in Roswell, New Mexico. Showings at midnight  on July 6th , with special premiere screenings on Saturday July 7th. In a  special engagement celebrating  the 60th Anniversary of a UFO crashing in Roswell, the Allen Theatre presents one of the most entertaining and informative films ever done on the subject of UFO&#8217;s and Alien/Human Hybrids. </p>
<p>&#13;</p>
<p>Filmmaker J.J. Barmettler and controversial UFO Investigator Brandon Scott have captured the UFO subculture from the inside out working 43 artists, 23 abduction victims, 30 experts and 200 eye witnesses who have all had experiences in the chilling UFO Alien phenomenon. &#8220;This unusual subject matter is presented with wry humor including original songs and real UFO footage and it&#8217;s sure to be a cult fave,&#8221; Marci Marks of the Studio City Sun.</p>
<p>&#13;</p>
<p>Alien Secrets, the Spinal Tap of UFO&#8217;s with a touch of truth, weaves Sci-Fi and reality in an epic portrayal of ones man&#8217;s search for an Alien/Human/Hybrid and his drive to save humanity. Based on his real life escapades as a Paranormal Investigator, Brandon Scott plays a parody of himself as he explores the UFO subculture with a biting edge and wit; while dogging a shifty shadow government agent bent on stopping his findings. With real footage of UFOs and actual underground encounters, we follow Brandon as he cleverly navigates his way through the world of Hollywood celebrities, renown experts in the UFO community and how he uncovers the truth about actual people claiming to be abductees and alien/human hybrids. Brandon will be guest on Coast to Coast with George Noory on Monday, July 9th.&#13;<br />
<br />For more information: http://aliensecretsmovie.com/roswell/</p>
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		<title>UFO Mockrumentary Lampoons Roswell Weather Balloon Theory</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Aug 2011 08:35:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Los Angeles, CA (PRWEB) August 7, 2006 The Roswell UFO Incident began in July of 1947 when a rancher discovered a large amount of unusual debris scattered across one of his fields. Many believed it to be the remains of a flying saucer crash, but the government quickly told the press that the discovery was [...]<p>a</p>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Los Angeles, CA (PRWEB) August 7, 2006 </p>
<p> The Roswell UFO Incident began in July of 1947 when a rancher discovered a large amount of unusual debris scattered across one of his fields.  Many believed it to be the remains of a flying saucer crash, but the government quickly told the press that the discovery  was the tattered remains of a fallen weather balloon that went down about 75 miles from Roswell, New Mexico.  This cover-up is the target for satire in &#8220;The Top Secret UFO Project,&#8221; filmmaker R. J. Thomas&#8217; parody of UFO documentaries in general and Roswell in particular.</p>
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<p>&#8220;The cover-up makes for a good story, whether it it true or not,&#8221; Mr. Thomas said.  &#8220;In many ways, the Roswell UFO Incident is one of the greatest comedies ever written.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#13;</p>
<p>Based on Thomas&#8217; 2004 novella of the same name, &#8220;The Top Secret UFO Project&#8221; chronicles the UFO-related events experienced by a tiny Colorado hamlet called Jasper. According to the film, the town dealt with  one unusual event after another in the summer of 1956.  After a farmer spotted a spaceship flying over his house, scientists rushed into Jasper to investigate, reporters rushed in looking for stories, and government officials rushed in to keep it a secret from the world. </p>
<p>&#13;</p>
<p>In Roswell in 1947, Brigadier General Roger Ramey, the head of the 8th Army Air Force at Fort Worth, Texas, told the public that the debris found at the ranch was the remains of a fallen weather balloon and its&#8217; aluminum foil radar target kite.  A weather officer was brought in to make the identification official, the press bought the story, and debates began which still carry on to this day.</p>
<p>&#13;</p>
<p>In &#8220;The Top Secret UFO Project,&#8221; government cover-ups are parodied mercilessly.  After the farmer sees a spaceship over his house, an expert is brought in to say that the farmer saw a rare bird, not a flying saucer.  When a gas station attendant sees a spaceship sitting in a canyon, the government tells the press it is really just a parade float hidden in the brush by its&#8217; makers.  And when a farmer finds unusual debris in one of his fields, the public is told that the mysterious pieces are the remains of a crash involving a truck that was carrying toxic chemicals.</p>
<p>&#13;</p>
<p>Billed as &#8220;the movie the government doesn&#8217;t want you to see,&#8221; &#8220;The Top Secret UFO Project,&#8221; is a parody of specials you might find on the Sci-Fi Channel or Discovery, and the cheesy UFO documentaries of the 70&#8242;s and TV programs like &#8220;In Search Of.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#13;</p>
<p>Mr. Thomas plays a documentary filmmaker who, in 2003, discovered (by accident) some top secret government films pertaining to the Jasper Incident of 1956.  This inspired him to make a documentary about Jasper&#8217;s UFO story, and to discover the truth behind what really happened that mysterious summer in Colorado.</p>
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<p>&#8220;In 1994, a UFO researcher came to the conclusion that the 1947 ranch discovery was really the pieces of a weather balloon,&#8221; Mr. Thomas said.  &#8220;But, he added, the weather balloon went down because a flying saucer had crashed into it!&#8221;</p>
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<p>&#8220;The Top Secret UFO Project&#8221; is available on DVD at</p>
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<p>BooksAndSuchMart.com.</p>
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		<title>UFO TECHNOLOGY FROM ROSWELL 1947</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 May 2011 02:26:16 +0000</pubDate>
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<p>One Phillip Corso claimed he reversed engineered the technology from the ufo crash in roswell. The US Government says no. Who do you believe?<br />
<strong>Video Rating: 4 / 5</strong></p>
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		<title>What is the view of the minority and majority or conspiracy theorists of the Roswell UFO incident?</title>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am doing research on the Roswell UFO conspiracy theory and I don&#8217;t really understand it all. I need these topic areas:<br />
1.The view of the majority<br />
2.The view of the minority (or what the conspiracy theorists think)<br />
3. Why the conspiracy theorists have this view<br />
4. Evidence that suggests that the conspiracy theories are wrong</p>
<p>Detailed answers please, thank you!</p>
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		<title>MSF REACTS TO CSICOP</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 14:51:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[(MSF) is valiantly battling back against charges that the Majestic-12 documents, released by the team in April, are fraudulent. The charges were raised in a press release issued by CSICOP on August 20th [MJ12.SR], in which arch-skeptic Phil Klass called the documents &#8220;clumsy counterfeits,&#8221; and cited a letter from the National Archives [MJ12DOC6.UFO] which raised [...]<p>a</p>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(MSF) is valiantly battling back against charges that the Majestic-12<br />
documents, released by the team in April, are fraudulent. The charges were<br />
raised in a press release issued by CSICOP on August 20th [MJ12.SR], in<br />
which arch-skeptic Phil Klass called the documents &#8220;clumsy counterfeits,&#8221;<br />
and cited a letter from the National Archives [MJ12DOC6.UFO] which raised<br />
doubts about the authenticity of a key piece of corroborative evidence,<br />
the so-called Cutler-to-Twining memo of July 14, 1954 [MJ12DOC3.UFO].</p>
<p>In an attempt to provide the opportunity for MSF to answer the objec-<br />
tions raised in the press release, ParaNet has talked with all three mem-<br />
bers of the MSF team: William L. Moore of Burbank, CA, UFO investigator<br />
and co-author of &#8220;The Philadelphia Experiment&#8221; and &#8220;The <span class="genmed"><u>Roswell</u></span> Incident&#8221;<br />
(the latter detailing a UFO crash in <span class="genmed"><u>1947</u></span> which stands to be confirmed if<br />
the MJ-12 documents are real); Jaime Shandera of North Hollywood, CA, an<br />
independent television producer who had little to do with UFOs until team-<br />
ing up with Moore in 1981; and Stanton T. Friedman of New Brunswick, Cana-<br />
da, a nuclear physicist and UFO lecturer.<br />
All three members of the team agreed that nothing brought out by Klass in the release conclusively showed Majestic-12 to be a hoax; i<br />
n fact none of the members seemed to acknowledge that any damage was done whatsoever.<br />
Below are some of the objections raised by Klass, and selected ans-<br />
wers given by the team members.</p>
<p>o Item: Robert Cutler was in Europe at the time the Cutler-to-Twining Memo<br />
was allegedly written.</p>
<p>Friedman: &#8220;That&#8217;s a stupid argument. The memo wasn&#8217;t signed by<br />
Cutler. [But] he gave his people instructions to keep the ball<br />
rolling while he was gone.<br />
&#8220;We have two other memos from Cutler to Twining, which we&#8217;ve<br />
gotten at the Library of Congress, one is signed and the other<br />
isn&#8217;t. The one that&#8217;s not signed has an `/s/&#8217; indicating where the<br />
original was signed.&#8221;</p>
<p>Moore: &#8220;The absence of a signature on the document is consistent<br />
with the fact that Cutler was overseas when it was written. If the<br />
document had been signed, then we would have reason to worry.</p>
<p>o Item: The lack of the characteristic &#8220;Eagle&#8221; watermark found on all of<br />
Cutler&#8217;s memoranda stationery.</p>
<p>Friedman: &#8220;But how many? They didn&#8217;t have at the Eisenhower Library<br />
OR the National Archives, these two Cutler memoranda that we found<br />
at the Library of Congress! Absence of evidence is not evidence for<br />
absence.&#8221;</p>
<p>o Item: The lack of a Top-Secret registration number on the document.</p>
<p>Friedman: &#8220;Neither of the other documents we got from the Library of<br />
Congress had registration numbers, either.&#8221;</p>
<p>Moore: &#8220;NONE of the Top-Secret Cutler memoranda we have seen have<br />
registration numbers.&#8221;</p>
<p>o Item: The presence of typewriter key impressions through the back of the<br />
document indicates it was typed as an original, not as a carbon.</p>
<p>Moore: &#8220;This just shows that [Klass] has not done a shred of<br />
original research. He couldn&#8217;t have looked at the original. If he<br />
had, he would have seen that the paper is definitely old, and the<br />
ink on the paper is blue.</p>
<p>Friedman: &#8220;I have trouble with that. The ink is blue. Who uses blue<br />
typewriter ribbons?&#8221;</p>
<p>o Item: The use of the security classification &#8220;Top Secret &#8211; Restricted,&#8221;<br />
which did not come into use by the NSC until at least a decade later.</p>
<p>Friedman: &#8220;Well, that&#8217;s what these guys are saying, but I don&#8217;t even<br />
know that that&#8217;s true. `Restricted&#8217; can mean `nobody else sees.&#8217;<br />
Also, in that same year of &#8217;54, the Atomic Energy Act brought in the<br />
use of `Secret-Restricted Data&#8217; when you&#8217;re dealing with anything<br />
nuclear&#8230;and Twining obviously thought there was a nuclear<br />
connection with UFOs because in a <span class="genmed"><u>1947</u></span> memo he said all the data<br />
should go to the AEC and the Nuclear Energy Propulsion Applications<br />
Project.&#8221;</p>
<p>o Item: The Sept. 24, <span class="genmed"><u>1947</u></span> letter from Pres. Truman to Secy. Forrestal is<br />
not consistent in format with other Truman letters to Cabinet members.</p>
<p>Moore: &#8220;Nonsense. We have a letter from a Congressional historian<br />
that says that the form and style ARE consistent.&#8221;</p>
<p>o Item: The Truman letter was created by &#8220;superimposing a spurious message<br />
on a photocopy of an authentic Truman letter.&#8221;</p>
<p>Shandera: &#8220;The 35mm film we have of the [Truman] document is very<br />
clear, its a very good photo. If anything like that had been done,<br />
it would easily show up.&#8221;</p>
<p>Moore: &#8220;He&#8217;s dreaming. The evidence is just the opposite. If you<br />
look at the document on the film, there are some areas where a<br />
different color ink was probably used, probably red, which contrast<br />
highly with the rest of the document. If this were a [composite<br />
photocopy], there wouldn&#8217;t be this much contrast.&#8221;</p>
<p>In the CSICOP press release, and previously in other media, Klass<br />
has said that he has invited Moore and his associates to &#8220;join in his own<br />
efforts&#8221; to get to the bottom of the MJ-12 scenario. Moore claims that<br />
Klass &#8220;has never extended such an invitation to any one of us.&#8221;</p>
<p>Moore says that more information on MJ-12 will be released &#8220;toward<br />
the end of September,&#8221; including a point-by-point response to the<br />
objections raised by Klass in the release. As usual, ParaNet will be the<br />
first computer-based media in the world to carry the story as it unfolds.</p>
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		<title>Info about Hanger 18</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Summary: this file is a thread from the Fido computer network UFO Echo, early 1989, about Hanger 18 at Wright Patterson Air Force Base. It has long been rumored that a UFO was stored there at some time. This file consists of messages, edited for relevance, that say that the UFO is no longer there, [...]<p>a</p>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Summary: this file is a thread from the Fido computer network UFO<br />
Echo, early 1989, about Hanger 18 at Wright Patterson <span class="genmed"><u>Air Force</u></span> Base.<br />
It has long been rumored that a UFO was stored there at some time.<br />
This file consists of messages, edited for relevance, that say that<br />
the UFO is no longer there, if it ever was.<br />
There is also a description of another wreck that was brought in<br />
to the Great Lakes Naval Base. Also, another one collected by the<br />
Army and stored temporarily in a firehouse.<br />
File length just over four typed pages.<br />
An additional source for this subject is &#8220;The <span class="genmed"><u>Roswell</u></span> Incident&#8221;<br />
by Bill Moore and Charles Berlitz.<br />
====<br />
From:    John Frey  To:      Steven Northover   15-Jan-89<br />
I know that Aquarius exists. A close relative of mine was<br />
stationed at Great Lakes Naval Base when they brought in under VERY<br />
HEAVY security a crashed UFO that was supposedly shot down by a<br />
aircraft carrier back in the early &#8217;50s.<br />
Also I have another relative that worked at Wright Patterson who<br />
said &#8220;I&#8217;ve seen some strange business that I can&#8217;t talk about&#8221;, when<br />
I asked about the rumors the UFO&#8217;s stored there.<br />
* Origin: Astral Board  (1:129/39.0)  1(412)8246566<br />
====<br />
From:    John Frey To:Kevin Colquitt  29-Jan-89<br />
My aunt used to work at Wright-Pat. but they live far away in<br />
Indiana now so I don&#8217;t get to talk to her as much as I would like.<br />
Anyway she heard many stories about strange experiments being carried<br />
out by scientists there.<br />
* Origin: Astral Board * Home of UFO echo * (1:129/39.0)<br />
====<br />
From: John Frey To: Joe Holland  22-Jan-89<br />
Well,I don&#8217;t know any major details about it other than what I<br />
told except that it was structually damaged badly and they picked up<br />
alot of wreckage. I don&#8217;t know why they shot it or if there were any<br />
bodies but I do know that my relative was asigned to moving some of<br />
the material into a building late at night under TIGHT security. They<br />
made him go through a metal detector before he left.<br />
* Origin: Astral Board * Home of UFO echo * (1:129/39.0)<br />
====<br />
From: Dick Copits   To: John Frey  20-Jan-89<br />
I lived in Dayton and worked at Wright-Pat in fairborn for years<br />
and although there were lots of rumors about UFO&#8217;s, no one ever saw<br />
anything dealing with them. I have been in EVERY building and hangar<br />
on that base, and believe me, there ain&#8217;t no such animal. You now<br />
have an authoratative source that says &#8211; wherever they is, they<br />
ain&#8217;t at Wright-Pat.!!!<br />
* Origin: (c)1988 Rogers &amp; Blake (508)373-2204 (1:324/120)<br />
====<br />
From: John Frey  To:Dick Copits  23-Jan-89<br />
Hangar 18 exists! Notice I did not say there was a UFO in it. It<br />
would be stupid to keep it in the same place long.<br />
A UFO that crashed in PA was taken by a lot of people from the<br />
Army back in the 50&#8242;s. It was in the newspaper and a local reporter<br />
researched it and found that it was taken by a Cleveland, OH group.<br />
The TV reporter was unable to find any members of the group (since it<br />
broke up in the late &#8217;50s) but did find a eyewitness of the recovery<br />
operation that was a volunteer fireman. All the wreckage was hauled<br />
from the crash site to the firehouse and later moved out with the<br />
army. The reporter is very credible and so is the eyewitness.<br />
* Origin: Astral Board * Home of UFO echo * (1:129/39.0)<br />
====<br />
From Joe Holland to Dick Copits 1/25/89<br />
On what date did you first get into Hanger 18? Recently, or some<br />
long time ago? Here below, for comparison, are three messages sent in<br />
to Paranet Alpha AZ last April. After posting these, George Ray never<br />
came on again with the follow up he was expecting to get.<br />
Also, I have documentation that Senator Goldwater was denied<br />
access to Hanger 18. (This item is corrected further on in this<br />
file). And you got in easily, with no instructions  about secrecy?<br />
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Paranet messages:<br />
Msg: #7816  01-APR-88  From: George Ray  To: Jim Delton<br />
Jim why dont you go to Wright-Pat. AFB in ILL. (see later<br />
correction) and see if you can get inside of the large black hanger<br />
at the back of the base, after you  have seen the inside of it then<br />
come tell me the A.F. doesn&#8217;t believe in UFOs.<br />
====<br />
Msg: #7837  01-APR-88  From: George Ray  To: Nick Ianuzzi<br />
The entire time that I was in the <span class="genmed"><u>Air Force</u></span> (over 12 years) I<br />
only  knew one person who had actually been inside that structure.<br />
That was because he worked there. It seems that the <span class="genmed"><u>government</u></span> did<br />
not like the job that the Security Police (AF COPS) were doing so the<br />
control of this hanger and surrounding buildings was placed into the<br />
hands of the N.S.A. and the Federal Police Agency (supposedly a<br />
branch of the  U.S. Marshall&#8217;s Office, Under the Dept. of Justice).<br />
Anyway prior to the security exchange this person had to do an<br />
inventory. He said that the items that were in those buildings<br />
could not be beleived. He told me some of what he had seen but the<br />
time I just blew it off. This was almost ten years ago, I will try<br />
to get hold of him this weekend to see if he will restate for me<br />
just what he saw and I will give you a full report when I get it<br />
onto a disk and upload it. Hopefully that should be done by Wed at<br />
the outside.<br />
====<br />
Msg: #7839  01-APR-88 From: George Ray  To: Jim Delton<br />
Jim, I left an earlier message in regards to this. But I can tell<br />
you  this while stationed at an Alert Site in Alaska, we scrambled<br />
more than once on objects that were not aircraft, the pilots would<br />
not tell us what they saw, yet after every time this happened all<br />
aircrews involved were immediately rotated back to the home station.<br />
Even when they would wind up back out there with us they would not<br />
tell us what they had seen. I know that this happened four times<br />
while I was stationed there and I could not tell you how many times<br />
total that it has happened. I just have to accept that they saw<br />
something that was not of standard aircraft design and until they are<br />
allowed to come forward with  eye-witness reports, it will continue<br />
to be a rumor generating mill.<br />
(End Paranet messages of April 1, 1988. Fido thread resumes here)<br />
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From:    Dick Copits  To:      Joe Holland  30-Jan-89<br />
Joe &#8211; First, and I think symptomatic of the messages &#8211; Wright<br />
Patterson AFB is NOT in Ill!!! It&#8217;s in Fairborne Ohio, a short<br />
distance from Dayton. It&#8217;s also the home of the <span class="genmed"><u>Air Force</u></span> Logistics<br />
Center, a SAC re<span class="genmed"><u>fuel</u></span>ing wing and the home of the analysis section for<br />
spacecraft observation photos.<br />
Hangar 18 is very visible from Harshman road, generally has (and<br />
always had) the doors open so that you can see in it with a good pair<br />
of binoculars, and is painted (at least since 1946) grey! When you go<br />
to the <span class="genmed"><u>Air Force</u></span> Museum, look past the xb-70 and there it is. No<br />
guards, No searchlights, No barbed wire, and in fact if you come in<br />
from the third street gate you can almost drive right up to it. Joe -<br />
this is a MYSTIQUE that has been propagated by people such as your<br />
friend who maybe even visited WP (even though it&#8217;s never been in<br />
Ill&#8230;).<br />
In fact, take a weekend and fly into Dayton and drive over there<br />
and see for yourself. It&#8217;s an open base, and unless you screw around<br />
the SAC planes you can pretty much move around and take pictures at<br />
will. How long ago am I talking about? Last year. When was I there?<br />
During the 60-70 era. My brother is still working there, has for the<br />
last 29 years, and knows everyone who is anyone on the base. Believe<br />
me, there&#8217;s no UFO there, no parts there, and nothing else. Comments?<br />
* Origin: (c)1988 Rogers &amp; Blake (508)373-2204 (1:324/120)<br />
====<br />
From:  Dick Copits  To: Joe Holland   30-Jan-89<br />
Joe &#8211; why do you think those messages have the dates they do?<br />
April 1 !!!<br />
* Origin: (c)1988 Rogers &amp; Blake (508)373-2204 (1:324/120)<br />
====<br />
From Joe Holland to Dick Copits 2/3/89<br />
Now, if we can take this apart somewhat, maybe we can study the<br />
anatomy of a myth, or else find out why this information is<br />
contradictory. Well, OK, I am accepting your description that hanger<br />
18 is  accessible.<br />
&gt;How long ago am I talking about? Last year. When was I there?<br />
During  the 60-70 era. My brother is still working there, has for the<br />
last 29  years&lt;<br />
The remaining question then would be the dates. Its a long time,<br />
42 years, back to <span class="genmed"><u>1947</u></span> when the UFO crashed in New Mexico. There<br />
might also be a question about which building it is.<br />
The Goldwater letter, which I will post separately, is dated<br />
1979, and refers to an earlier time. Someone should find out from<br />
him, how much earlier. But what I missed before is that the letter<br />
does not say hanger 18, but rather &#8220;a facility at Wright Patterson&#8221;.<br />
This letter appears on page 41 of the Nov 88 issue of UFO Universe.<br />
But an introduction on page 3 has already assumed that this is<br />
Hanger 18. Also in this introduction, Senator Goldwater is quoted in<br />
another quotation, but this again does not say Hanger 18, but &#8220;in the<br />
building where the information is stored&#8221;.  Note the word is not &#8220;the<br />
UFO&#8221; but &#8220;the information&#8221;. The magazine appears not to have strictly<br />
conformed in the text, to the evidence that it presented.<br />
The April 1 letter from George Ray refers to a time &#8220;almost ten<br />
years&#8221; earlier. This is in conflict with what I assume you said in<br />
your message, quoted above, about 29 years. Since you are on the<br />
scene, I give my credence to you. George Ray was quoting second<br />
hand, and might have never been to Wright-Patterson, or so it might<br />
seem from having gotten the location wrong.<br />
I noticed the April 1st date, and regarded it with suspicion,<br />
when I first re-ran the message into Paranet last year. But I missed<br />
the wrong location of Wright-Patterson, so I&#8217;m glad I  chose to<br />
repeat all three messages this time, instead of just one.<br />
*Source: Third World, Chatsworth CA 1(818)7009591<br />
====<br />
From Joe Holland to All  2/3/89<br />
Here is one of the letters from Senator Barry Goldwater about<br />
Wright-Patterson:<br />
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United States Senate<br />
Commitee on Commerce, Science,<br />
and Transportation<br />
<span class="genmed"><u>Washington</u></span> DC  20510</p>
<p>April 11, 1979</p>
<p>Mr. Lee M Graham<br />
526 West Maple<br />
Monrovia, California  91016</p>
<p>Dear Mr. Graham:</p>
<p>It is true I was denied access to a faclity at<br />
Wright-Patterson.  Because I never got in, I can&#8217;t<br />
tell you what was inside.  We both know about the<br />
rumors.</p>
<p>Apart from that, let me make my position clear: I<br />
do not beleive that we are the only planet, and of<br />
some two billion that exist, that has life on it. I<br />
have never seen what I would call a UFO, but I have<br />
intelligent friends who have, so I can sort of argue<br />
either way.</p>
<p>Sincerely,<br />
(Signature)<br />
Barry Goldwater.<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;<br />
Source: UFO Universe (magazine) Nov 88 page 41<br />
See also page 3.<br />
351 W. 54th ST. NY, NY  10012.<br />
====<br />
From Joe Holland to Dick Copits   2/3/89<br />
Wright Patterson is plainly marked on my AAA Road Atlas as on<br />
the  east side of Dayton, Ohio. Everything should be so easy to<br />
check! I  had meant to look it up, but it never occured to me someone<br />
would  miss on a thing like that.  Well, I&#8217;m the one who goes around<br />
reminding people that things may be easier to check than you think,<br />
and trying to get people to do it.<br />
If that story is true about the crashed disk, then the disk went<br />
somewhere. Why they would move it a long distance would be a<br />
question, although there could be a number of reasons.  If the<br />
expertise for rebuilding craft existed back then at Wright-Patterson,<br />
as it does now, then that&#8217;s a possible answer. Also, you say they<br />
look at the space photos there.<br />
However, it would have soon become evident, from your<br />
description, that Wright-Patterson was not a highest security area,<br />
so it would have been reasonable to move it.<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-<br />
File prepared by Joe Holland, 2/23/89.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[[The following is a teletype message from the Dallas, TX, FBI office to the Cincinati, OH, FBI office regarding the event at Roswell. The "xx" means it was scratched out, "??" means I couldn't read it. The following material is from: _The Roswell Report: A Historical Perspective_, George M. Eberhart editor, 1991 the J. Allen [...]<p>a</p>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[The following is a teletype message from the Dallas, TX, FBI office to<br />
the Cincinati, OH, FBI office regarding the event at <span class="genmed"><u>Roswell</u></span>.  The "xx"<br />
means it was scratched out, "??" means I couldn't read it.  The<br />
following material is from: _The <span class="genmed"><u>Roswell</u></span> Report: A Historical<br />
Perspective_, George M. Eberhart editor, 1991 the J. Allen Hynek Center<br />
for UFO Studies. ISBN 0-929343-59-X.]</p>
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<p>FBI DALLAS              7-8-47          6-17 PM</p>
<p>DIRECTOR AND SAC, CINCINNATI            URGENT</p>
<p>FLYING DISC, INFORMATION CONCERNING.   MAJOR CURTAN, HEADQUARTERS</p>
<p>EIGHTH <span class="genmed"><u>Air Force</u></span>, TELEPHONICALLY ADVISED THIS OFFICE THAT AN OBJECT</p>
<p>PURPORTING TO BE A FLYING DISC WAS RE COVERED NEAR <span class="genmed"><u>Roswell</u></span>, NEW</p>
<p>MEXICO, THIS DATE.   THE DISC IS HEXAGONAL IN SHAPE AND WAS SUSPENDED</p>
<p>FROM A BALLON BY A CABLE, WHICH BALLON WAS APPROXIMATELY TWENTY</p>
<p>FEET IN DIAMETER.   MAJOR CURTAN FURTHER ADVISED THAT THE OBJECT FOUND</p>
<p>RESEMBLES A HIGH ALTITUDE WEATHER BALLOON WITH A RADAR</p>
<p>REFLECTOR, BUT THAT TELEPHONIC CONVERSATION BETWEEN THEIR OFFICE</p>
<p>AND WRIGHT FIELD HAD NOT xxxxxxxxxx BORNE OUT THIS BELIEF.   DISC AND</p>
<p>BALLOON BEING TRANSPORTED TO WRIGHT FIELD BY SPECIAL PLANE FOR EXAMIN</p>
<p>INFORMATION PROVIDED THIS OFFICE BECAUSE OF NATIONAL INTEREST IN CASE</p>
<p>xxxx AND FACT THAT NATIONAL BROADCASTING COMPANY, ASSOCIATED PRESS, A</p>
<p>OTHERS ATTEMPTING TO BREAK STORY OF LOCATION OF DISC TODAY.   MAJOR</p>
<p>CURTAN ADVISED WOULD REQUEST WRIGHT FIELD TO ADVISE CINCINNATI</p>
<p>OFFICE RESULTS OF EXAMINATION.  NO FURTHER INVESTIGATION BEING</p>
<p>CONDUCTED.</p>
<p>WYLY</p>
<p>END</p>
<p>CXXXX ACK IN ORDER</p>
<p>WA  ?? FBI CI MJW</p>
<p>BPI  HS</p>
<p>S-32 PM O</p>
<p>O-22 PM OM FBI WASH DC   VH</p>
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		<title>THE &#8220;MJ-12&#8243; FILE: ANOTHER EXCLUSIVE &#8220;SMEAR&#8221; REPORT</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[It has, unfortunately, been over two months since our last issue of &#8220;Smear&#8221;, and in that period of time MUCH has happened regarding the now- famous &#8220;Majestic-12&#8243; or &#8220;MJ-12&#8243; documents released by Bill Moore and friends earlier this year. Before we move on to a summary of new information, let us mention some- thing we [...]<p>a</p>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It  has,  unfortunately,  been  over  two  months since our last issue of<br />
&#8220;Smear&#8221;,  and  in  that  period  of  time MUCH has happened regarding the now-<br />
famous  &#8220;Majestic-12&#8243;  or &#8220;MJ-12&#8243; documents released by Bill Moore and friends<br />
earlier this year.</p>
<p>Before  we  move on to a summary of new information, let us mention some-<br />
thing  we  neglected to state in our earlier ravings: Apparently long deceased<br />
Admiral  Roscoe  H.  Hillenkoetter was the most important member of this group<br />
of twelve, because his name comes first on the list (he is referred to as &#8220;MJ-<br />
1&#8243;)  and  because  he  was  allegedly  the briefing officer who presented this<br />
startling  information  to  president-elect Dwight Eisenhower on or about Nov.<br />
18th,  1952.  Hillenkoetter,  after retirement from his position as first dir-<br />
ector  of  the  <span class="genmed"><u>CIA</u></span>, became a member of the board of directors of NICAP, circa<br />
1957.  Can  anyone seriously believe he would have dared to OPENLY join a pro-<br />
UFO  organization  if  he  had  the  KNOWLEDGE of UFO reality that the &#8220;MJ-12&#8243;<br />
briefing document leads us to assume???</p>
<p>We  have  already  published  our  exclusive  information from Dr. Ernest<br />
Taves,  a  very close friend of Dr. Donald Menzel, who apparently was &#8220;MJ-10&#8243;.<br />
Taves,  like  others  who  knew  Menzel well, cannot believe that the long-de-<br />
ceased  former  director of Harvard Observatory could have had this above-men-<br />
tioned  knowledge  of  UFO reality and still have written 3 anti-saucer books,<br />
and  still  have debunked UFOs emotionally at every opportunity. Yet Moore and<br />
Friedman  see  nothing amiss here, and have in fact written long, detailed re-<br />
buttals  re  the  &#8220;Menzel Connection&#8221; and all other negative evidence that has<br />
been  brought  up  in regard to &#8220;MJ-12&#8243;. They do seem to believe what they are<br />
saying!</p>
<p>CUFOS,  in  an editorial by Jerry Clark in the May-June issue of the &#8220;In-<br />
ternational  UFO Reporter&#8221;, and in a more recent press release, seems general-<br />
ly supportive of &#8220;MJ-12&#8243;, and claims that the &#8220;verdict is still open.&#8221;</p>
<p>MUFON  has expressed various opinions, swaying pro and con. They used our<br />
Taves  material in a recent issue of their Journal, and in the August issue of<br />
their  Newsletter,  edited  by MUFON&#8217;s Massachusetts director James Melesciuc,<br />
they  state:  &#8220;The  results of the MJ-12 circus created by Moore, Shandera and<br />
Friedman  could  be detrimental to the future of document research. The hunger<br />
for  publicity  or for financial gain by any type of self-styled expert can be<br />
as  damaging to the subject as the crackpots and fanatics. Moore and Friedman,<br />
of  all  people,  should  realize that by promoting evidence loaded with loop-<br />
holes,  will  cause people to question the quality of their research and would<br />
be disastrous to their reputations&#8230;.&#8221;</p>
<p>Needless  to  say, CSICOP, as personified by Phil Klass, issued a totally<br />
negative  press  release,  based  on insufficient information, in our opinion.<br />
Much  more interesting than the CSICOP release is the September issue of &#8220;Just<br />
Cause&#8221;,  published  by Lawrence Fawcett and Barry Greenwood. In an article en-<br />
titled  &#8220;The  MJ-12 Fiasco,&#8221; they give a vast amount of detailed negative data<br />
that  no  student  of  this  matter  should overlook. (Address: P. O. Box 218,<br />
Coventry,  CT.,  16238).  To  this Bill Moore&#8217;s only comment (to us, by phone)<br />
is: &#8220;Sour Grapes.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Just  Cause&#8221;  introduces  into  the fray the name of a present or former<br />
intelligence  officer named Richard Doty, assigned to Kirtland <span class="genmed"><u>Air Force</u></span> Base,<br />
New  Mexico. The magazine alleges that Doty may very likely be Moore&#8217;s source.<br />
Alas,  when  we  said in our last &#8220;Smear&#8221; that &#8220;we believe we have the name of<br />
the  probably  perpetrator&#8221;,  it  was  Doty to whom we were referring. We have<br />
thus  been   &#8220;scooped&#8221;,  but never mind: Moore admits knowing Doty, but denies<br />
that Doty is his source. So the mystery deepens!</p>
<p>Phil Klass, relying largely on information from British researcher Chris-<br />
topher  Allan,  has  made a big deal out of the fact that the &#8220;MJ-12&#8243; briefing<br />
paper  uses  an  unusual  format in writing the dates, which happens to be ex-<br />
actly  the  same unusual format that Bill Moore uses in writing HIS dates. Our<br />
comment  is:  Whereas  the  notorious  Straith Letter Hoax of 1957 DID reflect<br />
Gray  Barkers&#8217;  stylistic peculiarities, since it was written late one drunken<br />
night  with no forethought, Moore would have to be remarkably stupid or insane<br />
to  make  such  a  naive  mistake. If the dating similarity means anything, it<br />
more  likely  means  that  the  REAL  hoaxter was trying deliberately to frame<br />
Moore!</p>
<p>So,  to  get to the point: It appears that most thoughtful Ufologists be-<br />
lieve  &#8220;MJ-12&#8243;  is  possibly or probably a hoax, and some Ufologists, plus all<br />
of  the  debunkers,  believe  that  Moore &amp; Co. are behind it. Our position is<br />
that,  although  &#8220;MJ-12&#8243;  is  a  hoax in all probability, Moore&#8217;s group is NOT<br />
behind it. On to our exclusive information:</p>
<p>Your  humble  &#8220;Smear&#8221;  editor  spent large parts of three days with Moore<br />
and  Shandera  recently (Sept. 23-25), in Burbank, California, discussing &#8220;MJ-<br />
12&#8243;  and  related  topics.  We  were left with the strong impression that they<br />
are,  if  anything  VICTIMS  of a complex sophisticated hoax that has engulfed<br />
them  for  several  years  &#8211;  a DISINFORMATION campaign of some sort, for what<br />
purpose we do not know.</p>
<p>Ufologists  don&#8217;t seem to realize that Moore has been involved since 1980<br />
in  the receipt of supposed &#8220;inside&#8221; <span class="genmed"><u>government</u></span> information from first one in-<br />
formant,  and  eventually  several,  on  a more or less continuing basis. Like<br />
&#8220;Deep  Throat&#8221;  in  the Watergate Scandal, these informants do not always hand<br />
him  answers, but they tell him where to look. As a result, Moore has given up<br />
his  literary  career,  which  looked  very promising after the publication of<br />
&#8220;The  <span class="genmed"><u>Roswell</u></span> Incident&#8221; (with Charles Berlitz) in 1980, and has devoted all of<br />
his  spare  time  to  research related to these ufological matters. He earns a<br />
bare living by selling UFO books and his own tracts by mail order.</p>
<p>Shandera  joined  Moore in the quest in 1982. He too has largely given up<br />
his  career,  which  was  in film and broadcasting. His financial situation is<br />
better  than  Moore&#8217;s  however,  as his wife has a very good job in the TV in-<br />
dustry.</p>
<p>Friedman  is, it seems, a more passive partner, in that he is merely kept<br />
informed  of  information received by the other two. He continues to work at a<br />
normal science-related job in his home town in Canada.</p>
<p>Another  thing that Ufologists don&#8217;t seem to realize is that Moore&#8217;s evi-<br />
dence  consists of a great deal more than what he has released so far. (Appar-<br />
ently  his  sources  tell  him what he can release, and were he to disobey, he<br />
would blow the whole ongoing relationship.) There are other documents, includ-<br />
ing  one he claims was given to him for exactly 20 minutes to do what he want-<br />
ed  with,  and then was taken back. He photographed it and read it into a tape<br />
recorder, in the presence of the agent who lent it to him.</p>
<p>There  are  also several videotapes. We were allowed to see one 20-minute<br />
tape  and most of another. These consist of a supposed agent talking in a tot-<br />
ally  disguised  voice, answering a list of questions from a supposed newsman.<br />
The  agent is disguised, and the newsman has his back to the camera. The prov-<br />
en  identities  of these two are known to Moore and Shandera, they say. No one<br />
was  present  at  the  tapings except these two, plus Moore, Shandera, and the<br />
producer.</p>
<p>The  contents  of  the tapes are Way Out &#8211; literally and figuratively. We<br />
have  been  asked  not to print anything about the contents, so we will merely<br />
comment  that  we  find the material literally incredible without further evi-<br />
dence  to  back it up. Moore &amp; Co. apparently have such evidence and expect to<br />
get more.</p>
<p>The  scenario  is  that  by the end of this year, Moore&#8217;s informants will<br />
either  come forth with more information and public disclosures, or else Moore<br />
will  give  up  on his informants and go public, himself, with all the inform-<br />
ation  he  has obtained so far. In either case, we are in for some interesting<br />
times!</p>
<p>There  is much more to all this, but Space prevents us from rambling fur-<br />
ther  in  this  issue. Re our continuing &#8220;MJ-12&#8243; quest: Our sincere thanks to,<br />
among  others,  Tommy  Roy  Blann (who now says he has suddenly withdrawn from<br />
the  UFO  field!);  to Jim Speiser of ParaNet; to Antonio Huneeus for material<br />
on  the  deeply  mysterious  &#8220;Humo Papers&#8221; which he has not yet sent (See Next<br />
Issue!);  and  to  the  alleged  Space People for making all this madness pos-<br />
sible.</p>
<p>Also  a  tip  of the &#8220;Smear&#8221; sombrero to the various zines that have seen<br />
fit  to  reprint  or  condense some of our &#8220;MJ-12&#8243; material in earlier issues:<br />
&#8220;California  UFO&#8221;;  &#8220;Would  You  Believe?&#8221;;  &#8220;The  MUFON  Journal&#8221;; and (ugh!)<br />
&#8220;Skeptical Inquirer&#8221;.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[When a Leave is not a Leave: Col. Blanchard and the Roswell Timeline by Kevin D. Randle (IUR, International UFO Reporter, July/August 1994, Volume 19, Number 4. Copyright 1994 by the J. Allen Hynek Center for UFO Studies, 2457 West Peterson Ave., Chicago, IL 60659, published bimonthly with a subscription rate of $25/yr.) In the [...]<p>a</p>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When a Leave is not a Leave: Col. Blanchard and the <span class="genmed"><u>Roswell</u></span> Timeline<br />
by Kevin D. Randle</p>
<p>(IUR, International UFO Reporter, July/August 1994, Volume 19, Number 4.<br />
Copyright 1994 by the J. Allen Hynek Center for UFO Studies, 2457 West<br />
Peterson Ave., Chicago, IL 60659, published bimonthly with a<br />
subscription rate of $25/yr.)</p>
<p>In the complex story that comprises the <span class="genmed"><u>Roswell</u></span> incident, side<br />
issues sometimes attain a momentary importance. For example, Gerald<br />
Anderson, who claimed to have seen a crashed saucer on the Plains of San<br />
Agustin in early July <span class="genmed"><u>1947</u></span>, submitted a phone bill which purported to<br />
document the length of a conversation with me. The length of the call in<br />
and of itself was trivial. It became significant only when it became<br />
apparent that the bill had been doctored. Without that bill and<br />
Anderson&#8217;s subsequent admission that he had tampered with it, we might<br />
still be debating the validity of his story. It revealed something<br />
critical to our understanding of Anderson&#8217; s testimony and its place in<br />
the larger scheme of things. A discussion of the matter appears in IUR,<br />
July/August 1992.</p>
<p>A new question, seemingly trivial but in fact important,<br />
concerns the time Col. William Blanchard, commanding officer of the<br />
509th Bomb Group, went on leave in July <span class="genmed"><u>1947</u></span>. In his recent monograph<br />
<span class="genmed"><u>Roswell</u></span> in Perspective (published by the Fund for UFO Research, Box 277,<br />
Mount Rainier, Maryland 20712), Karl T. Pflock suggests that Blanchard<br />
began his leave on July 9, <span class="genmed"><u>1947</u></span>, instead of July 8, as Donald R. Schmitt<br />
and I have insisted. Pflock writes, &#8220;According to the 509th&#8217;s<br />
headquarters morning report and a tiny Associated Press story in the<br />
July 10 Albuquerque Journal, the ninth (not the eighth) was the day he<br />
began &#8216;a three week leave in Santa Fe and Colorado.&#8217; . . . [H]e was on<br />
his way north on a long planned vacation.&#8221;</p>
<p>Pflock continues:</p>
<p>Taken together, these admittedly fragmentary and in some part<br />
questionable bits of testimony and documentation point to a delay<br />
before the 509th was instructed to treat the Brazel discovery as a<br />
sensitive matter. They also suggest Blanchard may have personally<br />
conveyed this guidance to those in the field, perhaps as he was on<br />
his way north on a long-planned vacation &#8211; although some have<br />
contended he headed somewhere else entirely.</p>
<p>It appears that Pflock has misunderstood the significance of<br />
Blanchard&#8217;s leave and the timing of the events. In fact, when examined<br />
carefully, it becomes clear that the timing actually reinforces the<br />
theory that the 509th was involved in the situation before rancher Mac<br />
Brazel arrived in <span class="genmed"><u>Roswell</u></span> with the box of debris on July 6.</p>
<p>The first part of Pflock&#8217;s analysis can be resolved without<br />
debate, varied interpretation of eyewitness testimony, or rancor. We can<br />
review the situation and draw a valid conclusion about it based on all<br />
the documentation currently available.</p>
<p>First, we have the testimony of Lt. Col. Joseph Briley.<br />
(According to the unit history, Briley became the Operations Officer in<br />
the middle of July. Prior to that he had been a squadron commander.)<br />
Briley asserts Blanchard had gone to the crash site. Available<br />
information indicates that this visit was made on July 8 and that<br />
Blanchard&#8217;s leave began on July 8. The leave was actually a cover for<br />
Blanchard&#8217;s activities revolving around the crash.</p>
<p>But Pflock attempts to refute this idea, drawing on Robert<br />
Shirkey&#8217;s testimony:</p>
<p>It is entirely possible, even likely, Blanchard went to the debris<br />
field to survey the situation personally. However, reliable<br />
testimony suggests he did not do so on the afternoon of July 8.<br />
First, according to Robert Shirkey, about mid-afternoon that day<br />
he was with Blanchard in the <span class="genmed"><u>Roswell</u></span> AAF [Army <span class="genmed"><u>Air Force</u></span>]<br />
operations building, where the colonel personally was overseeing<br />
the dispatch of the B-29 which took Jesse Marcel and some of the<br />
debris to Fort Worth. Second, Walter Haut vividly recalls<br />
Blanchard['s] colorfully complaining to him that same afternoon<br />
about not being able to place outside telephone calls because the<br />
base switchboard was tied up with inquiries about the flying<br />
saucer.</p>
<p>While this is interesting, it is not especially significant.<br />
According to other testimony, the debris put on the aircraft arrived in<br />
Fort Worth, Texas, about 4 p.m. local time, or 3 p.m. <span class="genmed"><u>Roswell</u></span> time.<br />
Newspaper articles and testimony from J. Bond Johnson suggest the debris<br />
was in Eighth <span class="genmed"><u>Air Force</u></span> Commander Brig. Gen. Roger Ramey&#8217;s office about<br />
that time. It means, simply, that Blanchard was on the base at <span class="genmed"><u>Roswell</u></span><br />
until the flight&#8217;s departure, about 1:30 p.m. <span class="genmed"><u>Roswell</u></span> time, and then<br />
left on his leave. There is nothing contradictory about this, and it<br />
allows for both points to be correct.</p>
<p>Second, as Pflock suggests, the morning reports show that<br />
Blanchard was present for duty on July 8 but had signed out on leave<br />
before the morning report was created on July 9. These documents are<br />
available from the Army in St. Louis, and I recovered a complete set of<br />
the headquarters morning reports (which were indirectly supplied to<br />
Pflock) from June 1 to July 31, <span class="genmed"><u>1947</u></span>, through the Freedom of Information<br />
Act.</p>
<p>This, too, does not contradict the proposition that Blanchard<br />
went on leave on July 8. If Blanchard signed out on leave in the<br />
afternoon of July 8, then the morning report would show him present on<br />
the eighth and gone on the ninth &#8211; which is exactly what it does show.</p>
<p>The newspaper article Pflock quotes is interesting but probably<br />
irrelevant. It is, after all, a newspaper article, and it shows, again,<br />
that Blanchard was gone on the ninth. It does not tell us when he signed<br />
out from the base.</p>
<p>The critical piece of evidence is Special Order Number 9, issued<br />
by Headquarters, 509th Bomb Group, and dated July 8, <span class="genmed"><u>1947</u></span>. It says,<br />
&#8220;Pursuant to the authority contained in Hqs. 8th <span class="genmed"><u>Air Force</u></span> TWX number A1<br />
1593 6 July <span class="genmed"><u>1947</u></span>, the undersigned hereby assumes control of the <span class="genmed"><u>Roswell</u></span><br />
Army Air Field, <span class="genmed"><u>Roswell</u></span> New Mexico. Effective this date.&#8221; It was signed<br />
by Payne Jennings, Lt. Col. A.C. (Air Corps), commanding.</p>
<p>Here is the definitive proof. Jennings assumed command on the<br />
eighth. Therefore Blanchard went on leave on the eighth. If Blanchard<br />
went on leave on the ninth, as Pflock would have us believe, then the<br />
special order would reflect that. Eighth <span class="genmed"><u>Air Force</u></span> would not want to<br />
create a situation whereby two commanders were on station at the same<br />
time.</p>
<p>OTHER EVIDENCE</p>
<p>Some other points must be considered. What the Special Order<br />
does is show military interest in the case days before July 8. It shows<br />
that Blanchard&#8217;s leave was not long planned because the TWX was sent on<br />
July 6, a Sunday. Had it been a long-planned leave, the TWX would have<br />
been sent earlier. If it was a long-planned leave, there was no reason<br />
to wait until Sunday, July 6, before sending the TWX. That date becomes<br />
important when it is placed in the context of all the activities of that<br />
critical weekend.</p>
<p>In fact. we can see that the military were interested in the<br />
case before Mac Brazel&#8217;s arrival. If his arrival had been the reason for<br />
that interest, nothing official would have happened on July 6. Brazel<br />
arrived with debris that was interesting, but if we follow the<br />
conventional wisdom, that is all it was, until Jesse Marcel and the<br />
counter-intelligence agent returned late on July 7. If the headquarters<br />
had waited for their return and for the cursory examination of the<br />
debris on the morning of July 8, then the documentation would have been<br />
dated no earlier than that day. The TWX demonstrates the military were<br />
interested prior to July 8.</p>
<p>The TWX and the Special Order resulted from rumors circulating<br />
in <span class="genmed"><u>Roswell</u></span>. Military officials, in both <span class="genmed"><u>Roswell</u></span> and Fort Worth, probably<br />
in consultation with <span class="genmed"><u>Washington</u></span>, decided that Blanchard had better<br />
monitor the activities. Their problem was, after the story began to<br />
leak, the news media would have noticed Blanchard&#8217;s absence. Without<br />
Brazel&#8217;s arrival and the rumors spreading through <span class="genmed"><u>Roswell</u></span>, there would<br />
have been no reason to cover Blanchard&#8217;s absence or to grant him a<br />
leave.</p>
<p>This leads to another point, one not lost on the military<br />
planners. If the story was so important, if it involved a real flying<br />
saucer, would Blanchard leave the base? Surely the commanding officer of<br />
the 509th would not want to be off the base and out of town when the<br />
biggest event of the twentieth century took place, unless his leave<br />
itself was part of the cover-up.</p>
<p>On the other hand, if it was nothing more than a weather<br />
balloon, as the military claimed publicly, then the absence of the<br />
commander wouldn&#8217;t matter. Blanchard wouldn&#8217;t be expected to cancel his<br />
leave over something so trivial as a crashed weather balloon.</p>
<p>So the TWX on July 6 becomes as important as the Special Order<br />
because it demonstrates what was happening inside the military. They<br />
were responding to the events of the day before. They were preparing for<br />
what was coming. The TWX on July 6 suggests that the military already<br />
knew about the crash on the sixth, and they knew because of what had<br />
been found on the impact site by military officers on July 5.</p>
<p>Let us examine one more aspect of the case. By July 8, when the<br />
press got interested in the <span class="genmed"><u>Roswell</u></span> case, the key players had been<br />
removed. Mac Brazel was in military custody, held in the guest house at<br />
the base, according to Maj. Edwin Easley, the 509th Provost Marshal.<br />
Jesse Marcel, the only man mentioned by name in the press release, is no<br />
longer in <span class="genmed"><u>Roswell</u></span> but on his way to Fort Worth, or already there and<br />
insulated by Gen. Ramey. And Col. Blanchard? He was on leave, heading to<br />
the north and into Colorado.</p>
<p>Even if we ignore the testimonies of Steve MacKenzie and Jim<br />
Ragsdale, who describe activities on the impact site during the recovery<br />
of the craft and bodies, we can still offer testimony to the 509th&#8217;s<br />
involvement prior to the July 8 press announcement. Leo Spear, a<br />
military policeman in <span class="genmed"><u>Roswell</u></span> in July <span class="genmed"><u>1947</u></span>, reported hearing other MPs<br />
return to the barracks talking about the crashed flying saucer. Like the<br />
others who had not been used as guards, Spear thought they were making<br />
up the story. But Spear says that when he read about the saucer in the<br />
newspaper (July 8), a day or two after he had heard from his fellow MPs,<br />
he changed his mind.</p>
<p>In other words, he had heard about the crash from the guards<br />
prior to the press release. The release convinced him their stories were<br />
true. This corroborates the reports of those who claim military<br />
involvement on july 5 and supports the idea that the military were<br />
preparing for contingencies on July 6. It suggests they knew a great<br />
deal more much earlier than researchers have believed until recently.</p>
<p>SUPPORT FOR THE NEW TIMELINE</p>
<p>All of this refutes Pflock&#8217;s theories about Blanchard&#8217;s leave.<br />
Pflock appears to have drawn his conclusions without having reviewed all<br />
the relevant documents or testimonies. It is clear that the military<br />
were active in the <span class="genmed"><u>Roswell</u></span> affair on July 5 and that they were planning<br />
for all contingencies on July 6 by, among other things, putting<br />
Blanchard on leave.</p>
<p>What we can do is restructure the timeline based on the<br />
testimony of the participants and underscore the validity of those<br />
changes with existing documentation. The old timeline suggested no<br />
military interest until Mac Brazel arrived. After all, how could the<br />
military begin a recovery before they knew a crash had occurred?</p>
<p>We now know they didn&#8217;t. They knew of the crash on July 5 and<br />
commenced recovery operations then. Blanchard&#8217;s leave is the key to<br />
understanding this. First we have to ask, why would anyone begin a leave<br />
on a Tuesday afternoon? Or, even if we accept Pflock&#8217;s analysis, why<br />
begin on a Wednesday?</p>
<p>Leaves normally start at the close of business on Friday<br />
afternoon, allowing two extra days because of the weekend. With<br />
Blanchard in a high-profile position, he might not have been able to do<br />
that, but surely he would have signed out on Monday morning, not Tuesday<br />
afternoon. The only exception would be an emergency leave, but that<br />
doesn&#8217;t seem to have been the case. Nothing in the documentation<br />
indicates that Blanchard was responding to a personal emergency such as<br />
a sick family member. Based on the fragmentary documentation he<br />
produces, Pflock concludes that the leave was routine.</p>
<p>The circumstances and the Special Order No. 9 refute that<br />
notion. They show the military were responding to a critical situation.<br />
Blanchard&#8217;s leave was neither routine nor emergency in the normal sense.<br />
Blanchard was being freed to respond to the situation as necessary<br />
without having to worry about awkward questions from reporters. To<br />
summarize: Blanchard began his leave on Tuesday, July 8. It was not long<br />
planned. It was a response to the events of July 5, when the military<br />
recovered a flying saucer just north of <span class="genmed"><u>Roswell</u></span>. The situation became<br />
critical when Brazel found the debris field and reported it, not only to<br />
the military officers at the <span class="genmed"><u>Roswell</u></span> Army Air Field but also to the<br />
local sheriff and a reporter for a radio station.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>Kevin D. Randle, an IUR contributing editor, is coauthor of The<br />
Truth About the UFO Crash at <span class="genmed"><u>Roswell</u></span> (1994).</p>
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