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What is the view of the minority and majority or conspiracy theorists of the Roswell UFO incident?

Tags: Conspiracy, incident, majority, minority, Roswell, theorists, view
Posted in UFO Report on June 4th, 2010 by RoswellUFOs.com

I am doing research on the Roswell UFO conspiracy theory and I don’t really understand it all. I need these topic areas:
1.The view of the majority
2.The view of the minority (or what the conspiracy theorists think)
3. Why the conspiracy theorists have this view
4. Evidence that suggests that the conspiracy theories are wrong

Detailed answers please, thank you!

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MSF REACTS TO CSICOP

Tags: 1947, Roswell
Posted in Uncategorized on January 13th, 2008 by RoswellUFOs.com

(MSF) is valiantly battling back against charges that the Majestic-12
documents, released by the team in April, are fraudulent. The charges were
raised in a press release issued by CSICOP on August 20th [MJ12.SR], in
which arch-skeptic Phil Klass called the documents “clumsy counterfeits,”
and cited a letter from the National Archives [MJ12DOC6.UFO] which raised
doubts about the authenticity of a key piece of corroborative evidence,
the so-called Cutler-to-Twining memo of July 14, 1954 [MJ12DOC3.UFO].

In an attempt to provide the opportunity for MSF to answer the objec-
tions raised in the press release, ParaNet has talked with all three mem-
bers of the MSF team: William L. Moore of Burbank, CA, UFO investigator
and co-author of “The Philadelphia Experiment” and “The Roswell Incident”
(the latter detailing a UFO crash in 1947 which stands to be confirmed if
the MJ-12 documents are real); Jaime Shandera of North Hollywood, CA, an
independent television producer who had little to do with UFOs until team-
ing up with Moore in 1981; and Stanton T. Friedman of New Brunswick, Cana-
da, a nuclear physicist and UFO lecturer.
All three members of the team agreed that nothing brought out by Klass in the release conclusively showed Majestic-12 to be a hoax; i
n fact none of the members seemed to acknowledge that any damage was done whatsoever.
Below are some of the objections raised by Klass, and selected ans-
wers given by the team members.

o Item: Robert Cutler was in Europe at the time the Cutler-to-Twining Memo
was allegedly written.

Friedman: “That’s a stupid argument. The memo wasn’t signed by
Cutler. [But] he gave his people instructions to keep the ball
rolling while he was gone.
“We have two other memos from Cutler to Twining, which we’ve
gotten at the Library of Congress, one is signed and the other
isn’t. The one that’s not signed has an `/s/’ indicating where the
original was signed.”

Moore: “The absence of a signature on the document is consistent
with the fact that Cutler was overseas when it was written. If the
document had been signed, then we would have reason to worry.

o Item: The lack of the characteristic “Eagle” watermark found on all of
Cutler’s memoranda stationery.

Friedman: “But how many? They didn’t have at the Eisenhower Library
OR the National Archives, these two Cutler memoranda that we found
at the Library of Congress! Absence of evidence is not evidence for
absence.”

o Item: The lack of a Top-Secret registration number on the document.

Friedman: “Neither of the other documents we got from the Library of
Congress had registration numbers, either.”

Moore: “NONE of the Top-Secret Cutler memoranda we have seen have
registration numbers.”

o Item: The presence of typewriter key impressions through the back of the
document indicates it was typed as an original, not as a carbon.

Moore: “This just shows that [Klass] has not done a shred of
original research. He couldn’t have looked at the original. If he
had, he would have seen that the paper is definitely old, and the
ink on the paper is blue.

Friedman: “I have trouble with that. The ink is blue. Who uses blue
typewriter ribbons?”

o Item: The use of the security classification “Top Secret – Restricted,”
which did not come into use by the NSC until at least a decade later.

Friedman: “Well, that’s what these guys are saying, but I don’t even
know that that’s true. `Restricted’ can mean `nobody else sees.’
Also, in that same year of ’54, the Atomic Energy Act brought in the
use of `Secret-Restricted Data’ when you’re dealing with anything
nuclear…and Twining obviously thought there was a nuclear
connection with UFOs because in a 1947 memo he said all the data
should go to the AEC and the Nuclear Energy Propulsion Applications
Project.”

o Item: The Sept. 24, 1947 letter from Pres. Truman to Secy. Forrestal is
not consistent in format with other Truman letters to Cabinet members.

Moore: “Nonsense. We have a letter from a Congressional historian
that says that the form and style ARE consistent.”

o Item: The Truman letter was created by “superimposing a spurious message
on a photocopy of an authentic Truman letter.”

Shandera: “The 35mm film we have of the [Truman] document is very
clear, its a very good photo. If anything like that had been done,
it would easily show up.”

Moore: “He’s dreaming. The evidence is just the opposite. If you
look at the document on the film, there are some areas where a
different color ink was probably used, probably red, which contrast
highly with the rest of the document. If this were a [composite
photocopy], there wouldn’t be this much contrast.”

In the CSICOP press release, and previously in other media, Klass
has said that he has invited Moore and his associates to “join in his own
efforts” to get to the bottom of the MJ-12 scenario. Moore claims that
Klass “has never extended such an invitation to any one of us.”

Moore says that more information on MJ-12 will be released “toward
the end of September,” including a point-by-point response to the
objections raised by Klass in the release. As usual, ParaNet will be the
first computer-based media in the world to carry the story as it unfolds.

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Info about Hanger 18

Tags: 1947, Air Force, Roswell, Washington
Posted in Uncategorized on January 13th, 2008 by RoswellUFOs.com

Summary: this file is a thread from the Fido computer network UFO
Echo, early 1989, about Hanger 18 at Wright Patterson Air Force Base.
It has long been rumored that a UFO was stored there at some time.
This file consists of messages, edited for relevance, that say that
the UFO is no longer there, if it ever was.
There is also a description of another wreck that was brought in
to the Great Lakes Naval Base. Also, another one collected by the
Army and stored temporarily in a firehouse.
File length just over four typed pages.
An additional source for this subject is “The Roswell Incident”
by Bill Moore and Charles Berlitz.
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From: John Frey To: Steven Northover 15-Jan-89
I know that Aquarius exists. A close relative of mine was
stationed at Great Lakes Naval Base when they brought in under VERY
HEAVY security a crashed UFO that was supposedly shot down by a
aircraft carrier back in the early ’50s.
Also I have another relative that worked at Wright Patterson who
said “I’ve seen some strange business that I can’t talk about”, when
I asked about the rumors the UFO’s stored there.
* Origin: Astral Board (1:129/39.0) 1(412)8246566
====
From: John Frey To:Kevin Colquitt 29-Jan-89
My aunt used to work at Wright-Pat. but they live far away in
Indiana now so I don’t get to talk to her as much as I would like.
Anyway she heard many stories about strange experiments being carried
out by scientists there.
* Origin: Astral Board * Home of UFO echo * (1:129/39.0)
====
From: John Frey To: Joe Holland 22-Jan-89
Well,I don’t know any major details about it other than what I
told except that it was structually damaged badly and they picked up
alot of wreckage. I don’t know why they shot it or if there were any
bodies but I do know that my relative was asigned to moving some of
the material into a building late at night under TIGHT security. They
made him go through a metal detector before he left.
* Origin: Astral Board * Home of UFO echo * (1:129/39.0)
====
From: Dick Copits To: John Frey 20-Jan-89
I lived in Dayton and worked at Wright-Pat in fairborn for years
and although there were lots of rumors about UFO’s, no one ever saw
anything dealing with them. I have been in EVERY building and hangar
on that base, and believe me, there ain’t no such animal. You now
have an authoratative source that says – wherever they is, they
ain’t at Wright-Pat.!!!
* Origin: (c)1988 Rogers & Blake (508)373-2204 (1:324/120)
====
From: John Frey To:Dick Copits 23-Jan-89
Hangar 18 exists! Notice I did not say there was a UFO in it. It
would be stupid to keep it in the same place long.
A UFO that crashed in PA was taken by a lot of people from the
Army back in the 50′s. It was in the newspaper and a local reporter
researched it and found that it was taken by a Cleveland, OH group.
The TV reporter was unable to find any members of the group (since it
broke up in the late ’50s) but did find a eyewitness of the recovery
operation that was a volunteer fireman. All the wreckage was hauled
from the crash site to the firehouse and later moved out with the
army. The reporter is very credible and so is the eyewitness.
* Origin: Astral Board * Home of UFO echo * (1:129/39.0)
====
From Joe Holland to Dick Copits 1/25/89
On what date did you first get into Hanger 18? Recently, or some
long time ago? Here below, for comparison, are three messages sent in
to Paranet Alpha AZ last April. After posting these, George Ray never
came on again with the follow up he was expecting to get.
Also, I have documentation that Senator Goldwater was denied
access to Hanger 18. (This item is corrected further on in this
file). And you got in easily, with no instructions about secrecy?
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Paranet messages:
Msg: #7816 01-APR-88 From: George Ray To: Jim Delton
Jim why dont you go to Wright-Pat. AFB in ILL. (see later
correction) and see if you can get inside of the large black hanger
at the back of the base, after you have seen the inside of it then
come tell me the A.F. doesn’t believe in UFOs.
====
Msg: #7837 01-APR-88 From: George Ray To: Nick Ianuzzi
The entire time that I was in the Air Force (over 12 years) I
only knew one person who had actually been inside that structure.
That was because he worked there. It seems that the government did
not like the job that the Security Police (AF COPS) were doing so the
control of this hanger and surrounding buildings was placed into the
hands of the N.S.A. and the Federal Police Agency (supposedly a
branch of the U.S. Marshall’s Office, Under the Dept. of Justice).
Anyway prior to the security exchange this person had to do an
inventory. He said that the items that were in those buildings
could not be beleived. He told me some of what he had seen but the
time I just blew it off. This was almost ten years ago, I will try
to get hold of him this weekend to see if he will restate for me
just what he saw and I will give you a full report when I get it
onto a disk and upload it. Hopefully that should be done by Wed at
the outside.
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Msg: #7839 01-APR-88 From: George Ray To: Jim Delton
Jim, I left an earlier message in regards to this. But I can tell
you this while stationed at an Alert Site in Alaska, we scrambled
more than once on objects that were not aircraft, the pilots would
not tell us what they saw, yet after every time this happened all
aircrews involved were immediately rotated back to the home station.
Even when they would wind up back out there with us they would not
tell us what they had seen. I know that this happened four times
while I was stationed there and I could not tell you how many times
total that it has happened. I just have to accept that they saw
something that was not of standard aircraft design and until they are
allowed to come forward with eye-witness reports, it will continue
to be a rumor generating mill.
(End Paranet messages of April 1, 1988. Fido thread resumes here)
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From: Dick Copits To: Joe Holland 30-Jan-89
Joe – First, and I think symptomatic of the messages – Wright
Patterson AFB is NOT in Ill!!! It’s in Fairborne Ohio, a short
distance from Dayton. It’s also the home of the Air Force Logistics
Center, a SAC refueling wing and the home of the analysis section for
spacecraft observation photos.
Hangar 18 is very visible from Harshman road, generally has (and
always had) the doors open so that you can see in it with a good pair
of binoculars, and is painted (at least since 1946) grey! When you go
to the Air Force Museum, look past the xb-70 and there it is. No
guards, No searchlights, No barbed wire, and in fact if you come in
from the third street gate you can almost drive right up to it. Joe -
this is a MYSTIQUE that has been propagated by people such as your
friend who maybe even visited WP (even though it’s never been in
Ill…).
In fact, take a weekend and fly into Dayton and drive over there
and see for yourself. It’s an open base, and unless you screw around
the SAC planes you can pretty much move around and take pictures at
will. How long ago am I talking about? Last year. When was I there?
During the 60-70 era. My brother is still working there, has for the
last 29 years, and knows everyone who is anyone on the base. Believe
me, there’s no UFO there, no parts there, and nothing else. Comments?
* Origin: (c)1988 Rogers & Blake (508)373-2204 (1:324/120)
====
From: Dick Copits To: Joe Holland 30-Jan-89
Joe – why do you think those messages have the dates they do?
April 1 !!!
* Origin: (c)1988 Rogers & Blake (508)373-2204 (1:324/120)
====
From Joe Holland to Dick Copits 2/3/89
Now, if we can take this apart somewhat, maybe we can study the
anatomy of a myth, or else find out why this information is
contradictory. Well, OK, I am accepting your description that hanger
18 is accessible.
>How long ago am I talking about? Last year. When was I there?
During the 60-70 era. My brother is still working there, has for the
last 29 years<
The remaining question then would be the dates. Its a long time,
42 years, back to 1947 when the UFO crashed in New Mexico. There
might also be a question about which building it is.
The Goldwater letter, which I will post separately, is dated
1979, and refers to an earlier time. Someone should find out from
him, how much earlier. But what I missed before is that the letter
does not say hanger 18, but rather “a facility at Wright Patterson”.
This letter appears on page 41 of the Nov 88 issue of UFO Universe.
But an introduction on page 3 has already assumed that this is
Hanger 18. Also in this introduction, Senator Goldwater is quoted in
another quotation, but this again does not say Hanger 18, but “in the
building where the information is stored”. Note the word is not “the
UFO” but “the information”. The magazine appears not to have strictly
conformed in the text, to the evidence that it presented.
The April 1 letter from George Ray refers to a time “almost ten
years” earlier. This is in conflict with what I assume you said in
your message, quoted above, about 29 years. Since you are on the
scene, I give my credence to you. George Ray was quoting second
hand, and might have never been to Wright-Patterson, or so it might
seem from having gotten the location wrong.
I noticed the April 1st date, and regarded it with suspicion,
when I first re-ran the message into Paranet last year. But I missed
the wrong location of Wright-Patterson, so I’m glad I chose to
repeat all three messages this time, instead of just one.
*Source: Third World, Chatsworth CA 1(818)7009591
====
From Joe Holland to All 2/3/89
Here is one of the letters from Senator Barry Goldwater about
Wright-Patterson:
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United States Senate
Commitee on Commerce, Science,
and Transportation
Washington DC 20510

April 11, 1979

Mr. Lee M Graham
526 West Maple
Monrovia, California 91016

Dear Mr. Graham:

It is true I was denied access to a faclity at
Wright-Patterson. Because I never got in, I can’t
tell you what was inside. We both know about the
rumors.

Apart from that, let me make my position clear: I
do not beleive that we are the only planet, and of
some two billion that exist, that has life on it. I
have never seen what I would call a UFO, but I have
intelligent friends who have, so I can sort of argue
either way.

Sincerely,
(Signature)
Barry Goldwater.
—————————
Source: UFO Universe (magazine) Nov 88 page 41
See also page 3.
351 W. 54th ST. NY, NY 10012.
====
From Joe Holland to Dick Copits 2/3/89
Wright Patterson is plainly marked on my AAA Road Atlas as on
the east side of Dayton, Ohio. Everything should be so easy to
check! I had meant to look it up, but it never occured to me someone
would miss on a thing like that. Well, I’m the one who goes around
reminding people that things may be easier to check than you think,
and trying to get people to do it.
If that story is true about the crashed disk, then the disk went
somewhere. Why they would move it a long distance would be a
question, although there could be a number of reasons. If the
expertise for rebuilding craft existed back then at Wright-Patterson,
as it does now, then that’s a possible answer. Also, you say they
look at the space photos there.
However, it would have soon become evident, from your
description, that Wright-Patterson was not a highest security area,
so it would have been reasonable to move it.
——————-
File prepared by Joe Holland, 2/23/89.

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@PID: QE 2.75+

Tags: Air Force, FBI, Roswell
Posted in Uncategorized on January 13th, 2008 by RoswellUFOs.com

[The following is a teletype message from the Dallas, TX, FBI office to
the Cincinati, OH, FBI office regarding the event at Roswell. The "xx"
means it was scratched out, "??" means I couldn't read it. The
following material is from: _The Roswell Report: A Historical
Perspective_, George M. Eberhart editor, 1991 the J. Allen Hynek Center
for UFO Studies. ISBN 0-929343-59-X.]

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FBI DALLAS 7-8-47 6-17 PM

DIRECTOR AND SAC, CINCINNATI URGENT

FLYING DISC, INFORMATION CONCERNING. MAJOR CURTAN, HEADQUARTERS

EIGHTH Air Force, TELEPHONICALLY ADVISED THIS OFFICE THAT AN OBJECT

PURPORTING TO BE A FLYING DISC WAS RE COVERED NEAR Roswell, NEW

MEXICO, THIS DATE. THE DISC IS HEXAGONAL IN SHAPE AND WAS SUSPENDED

FROM A BALLON BY A CABLE, WHICH BALLON WAS APPROXIMATELY TWENTY

FEET IN DIAMETER. MAJOR CURTAN FURTHER ADVISED THAT THE OBJECT FOUND

RESEMBLES A HIGH ALTITUDE WEATHER BALLOON WITH A RADAR

REFLECTOR, BUT THAT TELEPHONIC CONVERSATION BETWEEN THEIR OFFICE

AND WRIGHT FIELD HAD NOT xxxxxxxxxx BORNE OUT THIS BELIEF. DISC AND

BALLOON BEING TRANSPORTED TO WRIGHT FIELD BY SPECIAL PLANE FOR EXAMIN

INFORMATION PROVIDED THIS OFFICE BECAUSE OF NATIONAL INTEREST IN CASE

xxxx AND FACT THAT NATIONAL BROADCASTING COMPANY, ASSOCIATED PRESS, A

OTHERS ATTEMPTING TO BREAK STORY OF LOCATION OF DISC TODAY. MAJOR

CURTAN ADVISED WOULD REQUEST WRIGHT FIELD TO ADVISE CINCINNATI

OFFICE RESULTS OF EXAMINATION. NO FURTHER INVESTIGATION BEING

CONDUCTED.

WYLY

END

CXXXX ACK IN ORDER

WA ?? FBI CI MJW

BPI HS

S-32 PM O

O-22 PM OM FBI WASH DC VH

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