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MSF REACTS TO CSICOP

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Posted in Uncategorized on January 13th, 2008 by RoswellUFOs.com

(MSF) is valiantly battling back against charges that the Majestic-12
documents, released by the team in April, are fraudulent. The charges were
raised in a press release issued by CSICOP on August 20th [MJ12.SR], in
which arch-skeptic Phil Klass called the documents “clumsy counterfeits,”
and cited a letter from the National Archives [MJ12DOC6.UFO] which raised
doubts about the authenticity of a key piece of corroborative evidence,
the so-called Cutler-to-Twining memo of July 14, 1954 [MJ12DOC3.UFO].

In an attempt to provide the opportunity for MSF to answer the objec-
tions raised in the press release, ParaNet has talked with all three mem-
bers of the MSF team: William L. Moore of Burbank, CA, UFO investigator
and co-author of “The Philadelphia Experiment” and “The Roswell Incident”
(the latter detailing a UFO crash in 1947 which stands to be confirmed if
the MJ-12 documents are real); Jaime Shandera of North Hollywood, CA, an
independent television producer who had little to do with UFOs until team-
ing up with Moore in 1981; and Stanton T. Friedman of New Brunswick, Cana-
da, a nuclear physicist and UFO lecturer.
All three members of the team agreed that nothing brought out by Klass in the release conclusively showed Majestic-12 to be a hoax; i
n fact none of the members seemed to acknowledge that any damage was done whatsoever.
Below are some of the objections raised by Klass, and selected ans-
wers given by the team members.

o Item: Robert Cutler was in Europe at the time the Cutler-to-Twining Memo
was allegedly written.

Friedman: “That’s a stupid argument. The memo wasn’t signed by
Cutler. [But] he gave his people instructions to keep the ball
rolling while he was gone.
“We have two other memos from Cutler to Twining, which we’ve
gotten at the Library of Congress, one is signed and the other
isn’t. The one that’s not signed has an `/s/’ indicating where the
original was signed.”

Moore: “The absence of a signature on the document is consistent
with the fact that Cutler was overseas when it was written. If the
document had been signed, then we would have reason to worry.

o Item: The lack of the characteristic “Eagle” watermark found on all of
Cutler’s memoranda stationery.

Friedman: “But how many? They didn’t have at the Eisenhower Library
OR the National Archives, these two Cutler memoranda that we found
at the Library of Congress! Absence of evidence is not evidence for
absence.”

o Item: The lack of a Top-Secret registration number on the document.

Friedman: “Neither of the other documents we got from the Library of
Congress had registration numbers, either.”

Moore: “NONE of the Top-Secret Cutler memoranda we have seen have
registration numbers.”

o Item: The presence of typewriter key impressions through the back of the
document indicates it was typed as an original, not as a carbon.

Moore: “This just shows that [Klass] has not done a shred of
original research. He couldn’t have looked at the original. If he
had, he would have seen that the paper is definitely old, and the
ink on the paper is blue.

Friedman: “I have trouble with that. The ink is blue. Who uses blue
typewriter ribbons?”

o Item: The use of the security classification “Top Secret – Restricted,”
which did not come into use by the NSC until at least a decade later.

Friedman: “Well, that’s what these guys are saying, but I don’t even
know that that’s true. `Restricted’ can mean `nobody else sees.’
Also, in that same year of ’54, the Atomic Energy Act brought in the
use of `Secret-Restricted Data’ when you’re dealing with anything
nuclear…and Twining obviously thought there was a nuclear
connection with UFOs because in a 1947 memo he said all the data
should go to the AEC and the Nuclear Energy Propulsion Applications
Project.”

o Item: The Sept. 24, 1947 letter from Pres. Truman to Secy. Forrestal is
not consistent in format with other Truman letters to Cabinet members.

Moore: “Nonsense. We have a letter from a Congressional historian
that says that the form and style ARE consistent.”

o Item: The Truman letter was created by “superimposing a spurious message
on a photocopy of an authentic Truman letter.”

Shandera: “The 35mm film we have of the [Truman] document is very
clear, its a very good photo. If anything like that had been done,
it would easily show up.”

Moore: “He’s dreaming. The evidence is just the opposite. If you
look at the document on the film, there are some areas where a
different color ink was probably used, probably red, which contrast
highly with the rest of the document. If this were a [composite
photocopy], there wouldn’t be this much contrast.”

In the CSICOP press release, and previously in other media, Klass
has said that he has invited Moore and his associates to “join in his own
efforts” to get to the bottom of the MJ-12 scenario. Moore claims that
Klass “has never extended such an invitation to any one of us.”

Moore says that more information on MJ-12 will be released “toward
the end of September,” including a point-by-point response to the
objections raised by Klass in the release. As usual, ParaNet will be the
first computer-based media in the world to carry the story as it unfolds.

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Medieval Social Structure and Achad’s Tree of Life

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Posted in Uncategorized on January 13th, 2008 by RoswellUFOs.com

Medieval Social Structure and Achad’s Tree of Life
by Benjamin Rowe

Copyright 1988, 1992 by Benjamin Rowe

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Medieval Social Structure and Achad’s Tree of Life

This work presents a brief outline of the relation between Achad’s Tree
of Life and the various groups making up the structure of medieval
society. It is intended to be suggestive rather than comprehensive, but
what is shown here should establish that the correspondence is fairly
complete. The first outline shows the basic correspondences. The second
shows the manner in which I arrived at these correspondences.

Medieval society generally perceived itself as divided into three
sections, the common folk, the nobility and priests, and God. This
division is reflected in the correspondences here.

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Formation of the Village Culture

Malkuth – The empty land.

Aleph – The people follow the winds into the land. They till the soil
and scatter the seed.

Beth – The ceaselessly shifting movements of the elements over the land
cause the seeds to grow. The tradesmen take the elements from the land
and fashion them with their tools.

Daleth- Under the care of the women and the fashioning of the tradesmen,
the land produces an abundance. The living creatures within the land
become fruitful and multiply.

Yesod – The abundance enables the people to establish homes and produce
families, thus ensuring their survival and continuance. A village is
established.

Gimel – The midwifes, herbalists, wise-women and nature-priestesses
practice skills and trades developed out of the necessities of womanly
existence.

Hod – The bards and scribes remember and record the wisdom of the
tradesmen and wise-women, transforming them into words so that they can
be passed to the succeeding generations.

Cheth – when many families have grown in the land, they designate a
place where they will meet to exchange things they have produced. The
meeting-place becomes a market town.

Vav – Through the families’ interactions, customs develop. The elders of
the village become the guardians of custom, ruling on disputes,
celebrating marriages, etc.

Netzach – Smiths, merchants, innkeepers, and others whose livelihood
depends on trade between the families set up permanent dwellings in the
market town.

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The villages have contact with the rest of the world through:

Mem – Clergymen are appointed under the King’s approval to represent the
Will of God to the families of the village.

Zayin – Messengers, minstrels, and tinkers carry news and tales of other
places to the village. Young men seek a wives outside their own village,
under the usual exogamic customs.

Teth – Traders, salesmen and other theatrical types pass through looking
for money. The merchants seek to influence the king by lending or
withholding money for his projects.

Yod – Pilgrims and wandering monks come and go in their seeking. Men
from the village are pressed into service in the army.

Lamed – Judges and representatives of the law come to enforce the laws
of the land.

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The King, Nobles, and Priesthood

Tiphereth – The King is perceived by the villagers as the embodiment of
the higher powers ruling them. He is a glamorous figure, a living
representation of the soul of the land.

Heh – As the war-leader he protects the land from invasion, and keeps
the peace by force when necessary. In his dark aspect, he rules through
fear. Conversely, the nobles maintain a degree of influence over the
King because they control the troops and levies he must use. Without
their cooperation his power is an illusion.

Geburah – As a child, the king is taught the art of war by the knights
and nobility, the hereditary professional warrior class. As an adult, he
rules as one of them. Where the continuity of the village culture is
maintained by the preservation of lore (Hod), the continuity of the
noble culture is maintained through violence and the threat of violence.

Chesed – The Church and its Priesthood. As a child, the king is taught
history and the peaceful arts by the priesthood, usually in some
monastic environment (Qoph). As an adult, he translates the lessons and
cannons of the priests into laws governing the people.

Qoph – The Priesthood exerts influence over the King by its control over
the religious and intellectual aspects of life. Since they deal with
areas where material proof is impossible, they can say whatever they
want without fear of contradiction. By identifying the King with the
Savior, they can enhance his position in the eyes of the people. By
declaring his actions to be against the Will of God, they can make him
into the sacrificial victim whose blood must be shed so that the land
might prosper.

Nun – Where conflicts in the village are resolved by resort to custom,
conflicts among the nobility and priests are resolved through intrigue,
secret agreements, and assassination.

Ayin – The King is the court of last resort, the enforcer of the spirit
of the law when the letter of the law is abused. In his dark aspect he
is the autocrat, enjoying his power over others and making use of it for
his own pleasure without regard to the consequences for those he
controls.

Shin – He is anointed by god, and rules by God’s Will.

Resh – As the soul of the land, the King’s fortunes reflect the fortunes
of the land, and foreshadow the fortunes to come.

Peh – The nobility can maintain their power in the face of stronger
opponents through their possession of impregnable fortresses. These
fortresses are usually placed at strategic points along routes of travel
and trade. So long as the fortress stands, a noble’s power holds. When
the fortress is taken or is destroyed, his power falls even if he is not
captured himself.

Samek – The Priesthood maintains its power through its control of the
sources of knowledge, and through its claim that it interprets the plan
of god to man. When knowledge becomes available through other sources,
the power of the Priesthood is weakened.

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Heaven

The King, the nobility, and the priesthood are answerable only to god,
in his threefold aspect:

Binah – The Holy Spirit. Also Mary as the Mother or receptacle for the
substance of God. In its Saturnian aspect, God as rule-maker and
immovable power.

Chokmah – The Son, the Word. The plan of God, which is interpreted by
the priests.

Kether – God the Father, God the Creator.

Tzaddi – the Angels and the 12 Apostles, working towards the
manifestation (Binah) of God’s Plan (Chokmah) under the Will of God
(Shin).

Tau – The embodiment of God in the matter of which the world is made.

Kaph – The embodiment of God’s plan in the motions of the heavenly
spheres.

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The correspondences in this outline generally derive either directly
from the astrological and elemental attributes of the paths and
sephiroth, or indirectly through the associated Tarot cards.

Malkuth shows an empty land, its resources untouched.

Aleph – The Tarot card for this path shows a man wandering in the
wilderness, carrying all his possessions in a sack. He can be seen as a
refugee, or a peasant youth forced out of his homeland for lack of
available land to farm. He is the advance scout of the “volkwanderung”,
the migration of people seeking new room in which to live.

Aleph is the Ox, the peasant’s draft animal. The act of plowing is
symbolically the plunging of the knife of the element of Air into the
Earth of Malkuth. The scattering of the seed by the farmer imitates the
natural scattering of seeds by the wind. The Fool’s staff with its
satchel on the end bears a resemblance to the male sex organs, calling
up a relationship between the sex act and another form of planting, in
which the staff is used to drill a hole in the ground, into which the
seed is dropped.

Beth as Mercury suggests the constant cycling of the four elements in
nature, which activates the seeds and provides them with the materials
they need to grow. The image of the Tarot card recalls the tradesman
with his tools, taking the raw stuff of the elements and making it into
useful products, as does Mercury’s rulership of Virgo. The path’s
connection of the practical lore of Hod with the Earth of Malkuth
confirms this interpretation.

Daleth – The card shows a pregnant woman seated in the midst of a field
of grain. Her robe is embroidered with the sign of Venus. In the village
culture, agriculture (except for the plowing) has traditionally been the
woman’s task, precisely because the reduced mobility of pregnancy and
the requirements of child care forced her to remain near the home. The
image of the card combines aspects of Ceres and of Aphrodite, of Malkuth
and Netzach, as the women of the village culture produce life both out
of the Earth and out of themselves.

Yesod – The agricultural village society is the most stable form of
human culture ever invented. The reason for its stability is that it is
focused on the basic necessities of individual and group survival. More
specifically its focus is on the support, protection, and enhancement of
women’s ability to produce more human beings.

Woman’s ability to perpetuate the race is the foundation of all human
cultures, since without a continuous supply of new human beings no
culture can survive. Cultures which forget this fact, or fail to take
adequate measures to protect women of breeding age, inevitably die.

Thus the village culture is represented in the Tree of Life by the most
stable of geometric figures, the equilateral triangle, with its vertices
in Malkuth, Hod, and Netzach. Yesod, the sphere of Luna, also titled the
“Foundation”, is the central power of this triangle as the woman is the
focus of the village society. Since the men are often away on solitary
tasks, it is the interactions of the women that tend to provide the main
support and cohesion for the group.

Gimel – The Tarot card for this shows a priestess with a book of
knowledge sitting in front of a tapestry embroidered with pomegranates.
This and the path’s position connecting Hod and Yesod suggest knowledge
and lore applied to women’s needs. Hence midwifes, herbalists,
wise-women, and nature- priestesses. This is the path of women’s
mysteries and crafts, where Beth is the path of the male oriented
crafts.

Hod – astrologically Mercury is the planet of cleverness and
intellectual knowledge, that is, knowledge of things that can be pointed
to and described, and of how things can be manipulated. This is in
opposition to abstract knowledge, oriented towards universals, which is
ruled by Saturn and Jupiter. In the village culture, information that
would be useful to following generations was formed into songs, rhymes
or chants, which one or two persons in the village would be responsible
for remembering. Often knowledge that was considered the province of one
or the other sex would be held as part of the mysteries of that sex, and
only imparted to initiates. This eventually evolved into the craft
guilds, which are also represented by Hod.

Cheth – Once several villages were established in a particular area,
they would designate a particular place where they could meet to
exchange goods. These places developed into walled market towns when
people who dealt with many villages settled there, such as smiths,
shopkeepers, innkeepers, etc. The Tarot card for this path shows a
knight in a chariot leaving a town. But this could as easily be
interpreted as a villager in a cart returning home in new clothes
purchased with the sale of his own goods. The idea is one of obtaining
portable wealth in exchange for raw goods, or of travel to obtain
necessities that can not be made locally.

Vav – The Hierophant, Tarot card of this path, represents the village
elder, the keeper of custom, arbiter and final appeal in local disputes.
This path represents traditional or common law, as opposed to decreed
laws passed down by the nobility. Taurus also signifies men as
husbandmen and as landowners, specifically the yeoman farmers of
medieval society.

Netzach – Venus, the planet attributed to Netzach, is the astrological
symbol of concentrated wealth, or of portable wealth, things refined so
that only the most valuable part is still present. Grain separated from
its stalks and chaff, refined metals and metal implements, liquors,
crafted goods and specialized tools come under this category. Thus those
who deal in such things come under the rulership of this sephira.
Netzach is the market town, where Yesod is the home village.

To summarize, the village culture contains four essential elements: the
land, the home and family, practical lore, and trade or barter among
villages. These four are all that is needed to maintain a stable
situation. The village culture can get along quite well without any more
extensive national culture. But the opposite is not true. The hierarchic
nobility and priesthood can not survive without a village culture base
from which they can steal wealth to support themselves. It is only after
the makers, the villagers, are well established in a fairly high
concentration that the takers and fakers come along. The noble and
priestly classes of medieval society are parasitical on the society of
the common folk.

Communication between village groups comes through a variety of
wandering types of persons. Some of these are common to most village
cultures, others only appear when the noble class has been established.

Mem – In medieval society, the church represented the main unifying
factor. Villages thought of themselves as part of “Christendom”, and not
as part of a national culture. While local clerics were generally
appointed with the approval of the local king, their main loyalty and
responsibility remained to the church, and the church’s internal
communications network constituted one of the main means by which news
of the larger world reached the villages.

In one interpretation, this path and the path of Vav represent the wine
and bread of the communion, the sacrament of the Son, Tiphereth,
symbolizing the unifying power the church claimed to hold.

The Tarot card for this path, the Hanged Man, portrays the way in which
the noble culture is a reversal or inversion of the village culture.
Where the village culture is predominantly concerned with the production
of new life, and focuses on the needs of women and their children, the
noble culture is predominantly concerned with war and death, and focuses
on the actions and desires of men.

Zayin – Gemini is the sign governing messages, writing, and
communication in general. It also governs short journeys, travel of just
a few day’s duration. Thus various types of wandering communicators are
attributed to this path. In the medieval culture, minstrels and
traveling tinkers were also prime sources of information about events in
other places.

The attribution of exogamic marriage customs to this path is suggested
by the Tarot card and the sign’s attributes. It was generally the custom
for young men who could not find a suitable mate locally to travel to a
nearby village group to find a wife.

Teth – Leo is the sign governing theater and showmen, and the travelling
traders of the middle ages were certainly showmen, equivalent to the
snake-oil salesmen of pioneer America.1 Their trade was as much a matter
of entertainment as it was the quality and value of their products.

The Tarot card suggests the influence of merchants on the affairs of
kings. The card shows a woman closing or opening the mouth of the kingly
lion. The woman is Netzach, whose merchants held much of the available
wealth that was not in the hands of the priests. Thus kings who wanted a
new castle or money to conduct a war or other project had to come to the
merchants for loans to do so. If the merchants did not approve of the
project, they could kill it just by withholding funds.

Yod – Pilgrims and wandering monks and holy men are suggested by the
Tarot card. Armies and bureaucracies are a traditional attribute of the
sign Virgo.

Lamed – Judges and tax-collectors are suggested both by the Tarot card
and the attributes of the sign Libra.

Tiphereth – This is the traditional view of the king in the middle ages.

Heh – The King as war-leader is suggested by the attributes of the sign
Aries, which is ruled by Mars and has the Sun exalted.

Geburah – Nearly all noble houses of the middle ages started as robbers
and raiders, who eventually gained full control over an area through
violence and settled down to protect their holdings. Most of the castles
of Europe were built on sites covering major trade-routes, from which
the nobles stole most of their income by violence or extortion. They
were professional warriors, as opposed to the part-time levies of the
army ruled by Virgo.

Chesed – Jupiter is the traditional planet of the priesthood, as well as
of learning and knowledge of the wider universe. These three qualities
were combined in the priesthood of the medieval church. Where the nobles
ruled by violence, the church ruled by promising mercy, a relief from
violence and salvation from toil and suffering.

Qoph – Monasteries and religious communities are traditionally governed
by Pisces, as are deception and the manipulation of religious dogma, and
the concept of sacrifice.

Nun – These are traditional attributes of Scorpio.

Ayin – Both the positive and negative aspects of this path are suggested
by the Tarot card and its astrological sign. The card shows a devil
sitting on a block, to which a man and a woman are chained. The man
could be the nobility and the woman the common folk, following the
symbolism developed previously. The king’s word was supposed to be law
to both these groups, and the fact that he could override traditional
rights and privileges in his decisions makes him a potential devil in
the eyes of those he rules. The path connects the spheres of Saturn and
Sol, suggesting Judgmental powers embodied in a single person.

Shin – This path connects Kether and Tiphereth, God and King, and the
Will is traditionally attributed to Fire among the elements.

Resh – This symbolism follows the common symbolism of the king in most
cultures.

Peh – Suggested by the Tarot card. The path’s position above Geburah
emphasizes that the stronghold itself was more important than the person
who owned it, since whoever actually held the stronghold effectively
controlled the area around it no matter what his legal position was.

Samek – Traditional attributes of Sagittarius.

Tzaddi – The path connects the sphere of the zodiac with the sphere of
substance, so the apostles are attributed here as bodily representatives
of the 12 signs. In the Tarot card, the seven lesser stars around the
large central star suggests the Seven Spirits before the Throne of God,
giving the same symbolism in planetary terms.

Tau – The Tarot card suggests the empyrean, the realm beyond the spheres
of Saturn and the Fixed Stars, holding the known universe of middle ages
cosmology as a bubble within it.

Kaph – The Wheel of the Tarot card suggests the turning of the sphere of
the fixed stars and the motions of the planets along the zodiac.

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The following brief outline summarizes the steps in a Masonic initiation
ritual I once read, as they apply to Achad’s Tree. I regret that I can
no longer locate the source for the steps of this ritual. At some future
date I may attempt to turn it into a full ritual again.

Tiphereth – The God’s chosen one is led away from his home to the site
of the Temple.

Aries – The Dawn of the Day of Commencement.

Geburah – The Craftsmen arrive.

Pisces – The clearing of the site.

Chesed – The Architects

Scorpio – The examination, testing, and selection of the materials.

Sagittarius – Designing the Temple to embody the god’s intent.

Sol – The chosen one gives the god’s approval for the plan.

Capricorn – Laying out the plan of the Temple for the craftsmen.

Mars – The work proceeds.

Binah – The completed Temple, as yet empty of the spirit. The Mother,
The spirit indwelling and enlivening the Earth.

Aquarius – the Gathering of the Congregation

Saturn – the setting of the altar stone.

Jupiter – the saying of the invocation. The cycle of rituals and holy
days.

Fire – the indwelling of the God.

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Footnotes

1 A note added 3/24/88: The “snake oil” and patent medicines of
the American frontier were often just alcoholic beverages in disguise,
sold as medicines to get around restrictive liquor laws. The salesmen
were thus in a sense messengers of Dionysius, Sol, confirming their
relation to this path.

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APfl 06/20 1301 UFO Investigations

Tags: 1947, Air Force, Washington
Posted in UFO Report on January 13th, 2008 by RoswellUFOs.com

Date: 20-Jun-87 20:31 MST
From: Executive News Svc. [76374,303]
Subj: APfl 06/20 1301 UFO Investigations

By BILL KACZOR Associated Press Writer
FORT WALTON BEACH, Fla. (AP) — A retired Air Force pilot says he
suspects, contrary to official denials, an unknown federal agency is
investigating reports of unidentified flying objects and other close
encounters with extraterrestrial beings.
Donald M. Ware, Florida state director of the Mutual UFO Network Inc., a
private “ufology” organization, says he doesn’t have any direct knowledge but
nearly a lifetime of study leads him to believe probes are secretly being
conducted by some national intelligence agency.
“That idea doesn’t bother me. I don’t mind being an unequal partner,” Ware
said in a recent interview. “I support the policy of secrecy.”
He said secrecy would be necessary because, official statements
notwithstanding, he is convinced the subject involves national security in the
form of advanced alien technology.
Ware said he intends to take that message to the Annual MUFON UFO Symposium
June 26-28 at American University in Washington, D.C., where he is to be part
of a panel discussion on UFOs and the government.
His position is unlikely to be shared by many UFO investigators, Ware
admitted. A common complaint of ufologists is the government‘s professed lack
of interest and its failure to cooperate with private UFO studies.
“I’m so bold as to suggest there is a possibility of cooperation with some
unknown government agency if we show a little more tolerance of their policy
of secrecy,” Ware said.
“As long as we publicly take such an antagonistic attitude, as long as we
place the government in an adversarial relationship,” Ware said, “we are not
going to get much cooperation from them whoever they are.”
The Air Force closed its Project Blue Book investigation of more than
12,000 UFOs in 1969 after a panel of scientists found no evidence of visitors
from outer space. Most sightings were found to be such things as planets,
stars, meteors, weather balloons, satellites, false radar echoes, marsh gas,
clouds, aircraft or optical illusions, but a few have remained unexplained.
The official word ever since has been that the government has nothing to do
with UFO investigations and whatever they might be they pose no threat to
national security.
Ware, 51, joined the service in 1957. He said he was uninvolved in the Air
Force’s UFO activities during his 26-year military career as a teacher, staff
scientist and fighter pilot, including two combat tours in Vietnam.
“That’s one reason I can speak so freely,” he said. “I have no information
from the Air Force.”
His interest began as a teen-ager in 1952 when he saw star-like objects
streaking through the sky while walking near his home in the nation’s capital.
Similar sightings, including radar returns, had been reported a week earlier
and Ware said they remain unexplained.
He began reading everything about UFOs he could get his hands on, including
books in the library at Duke University where he received a mechanical
engineering degree. He later earned a master’s degree in nuclear engineering
from the Air Force Institute of Technology.
Ware kept up his interest in UFOs, building up a personal library on the
subject and questioning other pilots.
“I had no qualms about saying, `Anybody seen a UFO?’ ” Ware said. The
answer, he said, usually was “yes.”
However, until March of 1970, military personnel were ordered not to talk
about UFOs, Ware said.
“I think that in the late ’40s and early ’50s the U.S. government really
wanted the public to tell them what they saw and that those people primarily
responsible for investigating UFOs were not listed in the phone book,” Ware
said. “The U.S. Air Force was chosen as Uncle Sam’s public relations agent
because they were listed in the phone book.”
No one thing has convinced him of government involvement, Ware said. “Two
years of study after I saw the UFOs in 1952 convinced me that somebody is
watching us,” he said. “Ten more years of study caused me to think somebody
in our government has known that as a fact at least since 1947.”
Ware said his goals in becoming state director of MUFON, an international
scientific organization based in Seguin, Texas, were to improve relations
between “ufologists” and the government and to learn all he could about alien
technology from abductees and other witnesses of close encounters.
Ware said he hasn’t seen any more UFOs since 1952 and doesn’t expect to.
“I haven’t been selected,” he said. He still scans the skies, but not for
UFOs. When he’s not investigating UFO reports or giving talks about the
subject to civic groups, he is bird watching. He is treasurer of and runs an
annual bird count for the Choctawhatchee Audubon Society and does surveys for
the Florida Breeding Bird Atlas project.
Ware said his two avocations are unrelated. “Lots of people have accused
me of getting a lot of satisfaction from identifying feathered objects,” he
said, grinning. “No, I’m just a nature boy.”

Copyright 1987 by the Associated Press. All rights reserved.

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Info about Hanger 18

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Posted in Uncategorized on January 13th, 2008 by RoswellUFOs.com

Summary: this file is a thread from the Fido computer network UFO
Echo, early 1989, about Hanger 18 at Wright Patterson Air Force Base.
It has long been rumored that a UFO was stored there at some time.
This file consists of messages, edited for relevance, that say that
the UFO is no longer there, if it ever was.
There is also a description of another wreck that was brought in
to the Great Lakes Naval Base. Also, another one collected by the
Army and stored temporarily in a firehouse.
File length just over four typed pages.
An additional source for this subject is “The Roswell Incident”
by Bill Moore and Charles Berlitz.
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From: John Frey To: Steven Northover 15-Jan-89
I know that Aquarius exists. A close relative of mine was
stationed at Great Lakes Naval Base when they brought in under VERY
HEAVY security a crashed UFO that was supposedly shot down by a
aircraft carrier back in the early ’50s.
Also I have another relative that worked at Wright Patterson who
said “I’ve seen some strange business that I can’t talk about”, when
I asked about the rumors the UFO’s stored there.
* Origin: Astral Board (1:129/39.0) 1(412)8246566
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From: John Frey To:Kevin Colquitt 29-Jan-89
My aunt used to work at Wright-Pat. but they live far away in
Indiana now so I don’t get to talk to her as much as I would like.
Anyway she heard many stories about strange experiments being carried
out by scientists there.
* Origin: Astral Board * Home of UFO echo * (1:129/39.0)
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From: John Frey To: Joe Holland 22-Jan-89
Well,I don’t know any major details about it other than what I
told except that it was structually damaged badly and they picked up
alot of wreckage. I don’t know why they shot it or if there were any
bodies but I do know that my relative was asigned to moving some of
the material into a building late at night under TIGHT security. They
made him go through a metal detector before he left.
* Origin: Astral Board * Home of UFO echo * (1:129/39.0)
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From: Dick Copits To: John Frey 20-Jan-89
I lived in Dayton and worked at Wright-Pat in fairborn for years
and although there were lots of rumors about UFO’s, no one ever saw
anything dealing with them. I have been in EVERY building and hangar
on that base, and believe me, there ain’t no such animal. You now
have an authoratative source that says – wherever they is, they
ain’t at Wright-Pat.!!!
* Origin: (c)1988 Rogers & Blake (508)373-2204 (1:324/120)
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From: John Frey To:Dick Copits 23-Jan-89
Hangar 18 exists! Notice I did not say there was a UFO in it. It
would be stupid to keep it in the same place long.
A UFO that crashed in PA was taken by a lot of people from the
Army back in the 50′s. It was in the newspaper and a local reporter
researched it and found that it was taken by a Cleveland, OH group.
The TV reporter was unable to find any members of the group (since it
broke up in the late ’50s) but did find a eyewitness of the recovery
operation that was a volunteer fireman. All the wreckage was hauled
from the crash site to the firehouse and later moved out with the
army. The reporter is very credible and so is the eyewitness.
* Origin: Astral Board * Home of UFO echo * (1:129/39.0)
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From Joe Holland to Dick Copits 1/25/89
On what date did you first get into Hanger 18? Recently, or some
long time ago? Here below, for comparison, are three messages sent in
to Paranet Alpha AZ last April. After posting these, George Ray never
came on again with the follow up he was expecting to get.
Also, I have documentation that Senator Goldwater was denied
access to Hanger 18. (This item is corrected further on in this
file). And you got in easily, with no instructions about secrecy?
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Paranet messages:
Msg: #7816 01-APR-88 From: George Ray To: Jim Delton
Jim why dont you go to Wright-Pat. AFB in ILL. (see later
correction) and see if you can get inside of the large black hanger
at the back of the base, after you have seen the inside of it then
come tell me the A.F. doesn’t believe in UFOs.
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Msg: #7837 01-APR-88 From: George Ray To: Nick Ianuzzi
The entire time that I was in the Air Force (over 12 years) I
only knew one person who had actually been inside that structure.
That was because he worked there. It seems that the government did
not like the job that the Security Police (AF COPS) were doing so the
control of this hanger and surrounding buildings was placed into the
hands of the N.S.A. and the Federal Police Agency (supposedly a
branch of the U.S. Marshall’s Office, Under the Dept. of Justice).
Anyway prior to the security exchange this person had to do an
inventory. He said that the items that were in those buildings
could not be beleived. He told me some of what he had seen but the
time I just blew it off. This was almost ten years ago, I will try
to get hold of him this weekend to see if he will restate for me
just what he saw and I will give you a full report when I get it
onto a disk and upload it. Hopefully that should be done by Wed at
the outside.
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Msg: #7839 01-APR-88 From: George Ray To: Jim Delton
Jim, I left an earlier message in regards to this. But I can tell
you this while stationed at an Alert Site in Alaska, we scrambled
more than once on objects that were not aircraft, the pilots would
not tell us what they saw, yet after every time this happened all
aircrews involved were immediately rotated back to the home station.
Even when they would wind up back out there with us they would not
tell us what they had seen. I know that this happened four times
while I was stationed there and I could not tell you how many times
total that it has happened. I just have to accept that they saw
something that was not of standard aircraft design and until they are
allowed to come forward with eye-witness reports, it will continue
to be a rumor generating mill.
(End Paranet messages of April 1, 1988. Fido thread resumes here)
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From: Dick Copits To: Joe Holland 30-Jan-89
Joe – First, and I think symptomatic of the messages – Wright
Patterson AFB is NOT in Ill!!! It’s in Fairborne Ohio, a short
distance from Dayton. It’s also the home of the Air Force Logistics
Center, a SAC refueling wing and the home of the analysis section for
spacecraft observation photos.
Hangar 18 is very visible from Harshman road, generally has (and
always had) the doors open so that you can see in it with a good pair
of binoculars, and is painted (at least since 1946) grey! When you go
to the Air Force Museum, look past the xb-70 and there it is. No
guards, No searchlights, No barbed wire, and in fact if you come in
from the third street gate you can almost drive right up to it. Joe -
this is a MYSTIQUE that has been propagated by people such as your
friend who maybe even visited WP (even though it’s never been in
Ill…).
In fact, take a weekend and fly into Dayton and drive over there
and see for yourself. It’s an open base, and unless you screw around
the SAC planes you can pretty much move around and take pictures at
will. How long ago am I talking about? Last year. When was I there?
During the 60-70 era. My brother is still working there, has for the
last 29 years, and knows everyone who is anyone on the base. Believe
me, there’s no UFO there, no parts there, and nothing else. Comments?
* Origin: (c)1988 Rogers & Blake (508)373-2204 (1:324/120)
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From: Dick Copits To: Joe Holland 30-Jan-89
Joe – why do you think those messages have the dates they do?
April 1 !!!
* Origin: (c)1988 Rogers & Blake (508)373-2204 (1:324/120)
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From Joe Holland to Dick Copits 2/3/89
Now, if we can take this apart somewhat, maybe we can study the
anatomy of a myth, or else find out why this information is
contradictory. Well, OK, I am accepting your description that hanger
18 is accessible.
>How long ago am I talking about? Last year. When was I there?
During the 60-70 era. My brother is still working there, has for the
last 29 years<
The remaining question then would be the dates. Its a long time,
42 years, back to 1947 when the UFO crashed in New Mexico. There
might also be a question about which building it is.
The Goldwater letter, which I will post separately, is dated
1979, and refers to an earlier time. Someone should find out from
him, how much earlier. But what I missed before is that the letter
does not say hanger 18, but rather “a facility at Wright Patterson”.
This letter appears on page 41 of the Nov 88 issue of UFO Universe.
But an introduction on page 3 has already assumed that this is
Hanger 18. Also in this introduction, Senator Goldwater is quoted in
another quotation, but this again does not say Hanger 18, but “in the
building where the information is stored”. Note the word is not “the
UFO” but “the information”. The magazine appears not to have strictly
conformed in the text, to the evidence that it presented.
The April 1 letter from George Ray refers to a time “almost ten
years” earlier. This is in conflict with what I assume you said in
your message, quoted above, about 29 years. Since you are on the
scene, I give my credence to you. George Ray was quoting second
hand, and might have never been to Wright-Patterson, or so it might
seem from having gotten the location wrong.
I noticed the April 1st date, and regarded it with suspicion,
when I first re-ran the message into Paranet last year. But I missed
the wrong location of Wright-Patterson, so I’m glad I chose to
repeat all three messages this time, instead of just one.
*Source: Third World, Chatsworth CA 1(818)7009591
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From Joe Holland to All 2/3/89
Here is one of the letters from Senator Barry Goldwater about
Wright-Patterson:
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United States Senate
Commitee on Commerce, Science,
and Transportation
Washington DC 20510

April 11, 1979

Mr. Lee M Graham
526 West Maple
Monrovia, California 91016

Dear Mr. Graham:

It is true I was denied access to a faclity at
Wright-Patterson. Because I never got in, I can’t
tell you what was inside. We both know about the
rumors.

Apart from that, let me make my position clear: I
do not beleive that we are the only planet, and of
some two billion that exist, that has life on it. I
have never seen what I would call a UFO, but I have
intelligent friends who have, so I can sort of argue
either way.

Sincerely,
(Signature)
Barry Goldwater.
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Source: UFO Universe (magazine) Nov 88 page 41
See also page 3.
351 W. 54th ST. NY, NY 10012.
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From Joe Holland to Dick Copits 2/3/89
Wright Patterson is plainly marked on my AAA Road Atlas as on
the east side of Dayton, Ohio. Everything should be so easy to
check! I had meant to look it up, but it never occured to me someone
would miss on a thing like that. Well, I’m the one who goes around
reminding people that things may be easier to check than you think,
and trying to get people to do it.
If that story is true about the crashed disk, then the disk went
somewhere. Why they would move it a long distance would be a
question, although there could be a number of reasons. If the
expertise for rebuilding craft existed back then at Wright-Patterson,
as it does now, then that’s a possible answer. Also, you say they
look at the space photos there.
However, it would have soon become evident, from your
description, that Wright-Patterson was not a highest security area,
so it would have been reasonable to move it.
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File prepared by Joe Holland, 2/23/89.

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